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On Sun, 11 May 2014 18:51:46 +0200 |
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Jeroen Roovers <jer@g.o> wrote: |
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> On Sun, 11 May 2014 16:14:20 +0200 |
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> Tom Wijsman <TomWij@g.o> wrote: |
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> > 4) explicitly choose not to bitch at all or escalate to ComRel; |
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> What does that mean? |
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See point (4) in the redacted feedback below. |
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> Does it ever happen to you that you think "choosing to bitch" is the |
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> right solution? |
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See point (4) in your specific quote above. |
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> And what is "escalating to ComRel"? It sounds painfully like any |
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> ComRel (re)solution would result in people getting booted from the |
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> project or severely restricted in volunteering their work, if not |
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> simply unwilling to do so under technically imposed restrictions |
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> (from QA or the Council). |
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Exactly, and such escalations happen too often; to both ComRel and QA, |
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to some extent this even happens to the Gentoo Council too. |
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> > ... but in response I get ... |
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> [lots of negative feedback] |
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> > 14) "TomWij is improving qa, didn't you notice? ;)". |
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> > Do people really expect QA to be communicative, be motivated and |
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> > work? |
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> Of course we do, but are you sure you're tackling this problem the |
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> right way? I haven't looked into this, but from your quotations and |
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> from random comments on IRC I get the sure feeling you are perhaps |
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> pushing people too hard, or at the least rubbing them the wrong way. |
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Can you also consider that people are pushing QA too hard, or rubbing |
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the QA team the wrong way? Action, reaction; there are two sides to it. |
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> There is no hierarchy that puts QA above developers - you work with |
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> volunteers and they are all trying their best to get things fixed, |
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Did someone state there to be such hierarchy? |
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> even when this isn't immediately obvious to you or when the best |
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> solution doesn't immediately present itself. |
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What does that mean? What is non obvious? Why a solution? |
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> And when you decide to force issues through policies, you find that |
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> you don't actually have the resources to do that, |
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What is this even about? Has something been forced? Which resources? |
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> unless you are prepared to drive out the volunteers you expected to |
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> start "fixing" things. Are matters of "policy" the carrot or the |
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> stick? |
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Given that you haven't looked into the case, I'm not sure why you can |
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claim such statements; in matters like these, the "policy" is the clue. |
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With kind regards, |
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Tom Wijsman (TomWij) |
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