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From: Markos Chandras <hwoarang@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 19:31:54
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years by Rich Freeman
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On 08/05/2011 08:22 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Markos Chandras > <hwoarang@g.o> wrote: >> Right, exactly what I am saying. A single developer has to put his >> effort to push things forward. Last time I remember something >> similar was when Ben (yngwin) tried to introduce changes and he was >> "forced" to retirement. Awesome. You know very well that if a >> single person tries on his own to change things, he will lose >> motivation sooner or later. > > So, here's the thing. If a huge number of devs are against an idea, > then it is probably best NOT to approve it unless it is just a > matter of bikeshedding.
You probably do not remember the case. A lot of people were supporting his ideas. That was not the problem.
> > What is the alternative? One guy wants to make a huge change to > Gentoo. Most don't agree. Democratically elected council is thus > unlikely to back it. Instead suppose we have a dictator for the > year or whatever and he happens to support it, so he issues an edict > that the one guy is the prophet for this year. >
I am talking about situation that everybody agrees yet there is nobody to step up and move it forward.
> Let's look at the whole /usr thread. It started out with lots of > shock and general opposition with one or two guys pushing for a > change. They than brought forward arguments and I'd judge from > recent comments that they won over a good chunk of the dev population > - now we're just haggling about the how and not arguing so much over > to-FHS or not to-FHS. By the time the council is asked to do > anything (if they even need to get involved) there will probably be a > clear majority consensus. That's how you drive change. >
I am very interested to see if a solution will ever come up from that thread. /me shuts up and goes back to his corner - -- Regards, Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJOPET4AAoJEPqDWhW0r/LCHz0P/0x6WcMUjPtbXE2RjdeFYlxL vovyQpVrp4mIui9K205pqNLu5DeEbn4QPp/vhMlveQtXDrB+OA+0TjBQQ4+itJXc P+qxTxK+j/XVHJFbnq081B2vVrUdl+JI6x5iFVFtsOPOtC8YhsFhD3q0AheyBjyP gJAFfGUaLLkP/m6RF+LpwyGvhiRQXrwXuVJfT7pearbzs4+A2qKBuvfuW4w0hd/F 8KIig3nXJXuPfAHWrySMjmU7TTuIFlD/GFPryQJEDy622K2ATlApaEBK+jpEl/8k qKMp0c66zr37eOHCeFV4n0F/h46shhafxzjHNmsJ8/wbY6/yWEndax5dpOhUYuOC i7hIXnv/A8s4Dy6QRzFftrew5VZIFbIJrAKToUaTuDSvXKw0b2K5ADrT5pdIdAhh YEQzgdVvl9ejmTE+nHGHpre6FNcYi/DCBd2h3KYQxKe0xU0+2xZ7PrXyH94w2u9b 7yjmyBNLYBB/MOJf+ZaZv6PZWACyENJTAnCfvoIH6Ob8tq7nK9hjqzKh0V2VMKv4 My42gBjEFX0KTp2bFVVM4db88YHfWsiu5JnYjUg3hvi41BF3AAhvtfFMX+CQpa49 M5ucIBQt/jl90KzWk77PwVAmY/tVkOmFb9QEfRyA2QwCr4/694XUMCi1x1564N8C xEcvm+qRqF1fmS23YuP1 =1p25 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----