From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I1Nfh-0000AI-3K for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:30:05 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5LETXb9002664; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:29:33 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LETWJK002653; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:29:32 GMT Received: from [192.168.1.213] (unknown [74.92.132.138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8E964F18; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [gentoo-qa] [RFC] Staff (support) projects and IRC channels From: Ferris McCormick To: Developer Relations Cc: Developer Relations , gentoo-infra@gentoo.org, gentoo-proctors@gentoo.org, gentoo-qa@gentoo.org, gentoo-userrel@gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-lJdYgZ8QQpw6g33vqIJA" Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:29:28 +0000 Message-Id: <1182436168.8475.48.camel@liasis.inforead.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-qa@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-qa@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 X-Archives-Salt: f42d9466-257f-492f-aa12-7e333fea8b78 X-Archives-Hash: 76cdc2f2b2a62bed5852a61cd09ef582 --=-lJdYgZ8QQpw6g33vqIJA Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am floating this for comment. Several Gentoo projects --- the ones CC on this note come to mind --- are pure staff (or support) projects. As members of these projects we do not develop anything; what we provide is support to Gentoo as a whole and to individual developers, users, and projects. To do this effectively, we must be known and visible. Recently, however, we ran into a question of whether or not a particular developer was or was not a member of one of these support projects, and resolving this (if it is resolved) was not as easy as you would think. Why not? First, it is just a fact of Gentoo that the home pages for our projects are often out of date and thus unreliable indicators of who does what (yes, devrel is guilty of this: slarti --- who is retired --- is listed as a member of devrel). Second, the developer in question was not marked present on the project's channel. Nonetheless, all these projects do have IRC channels and their members are often online. Thus, I propose as a devrel policy (and as a suggestion to the other support channels) that (1) if you are a member of devrel, and (2) if you are online in freenode, then (3) you must take the time to /join #gentoo-devrel unless you can articulate a good reason not to. Reasoning suggested above, but follows specifically thus: (1) devrel (or whatever) is a support project (like juman resources for Gentoo); (2) You are a member of devrel; (3) The only reason to be a member of devrel is to provide support of some sort; (4) To do this, you most likely have to be visible (there are a couple exceptions, I think); (5) The easiest way to be visible (to others on IRC who need immediate support) is to be marked present on #gentoo-devrel (and marked as an operator). (6) And in the contrapositive, the person seeking support may conclude that if you are not there, then either you are not online or you are not a member of devrel (and so this person need not bother tracking you down). I just happen to think it is a reasonable to require that if a developer wishes to be a member of a support group, then that developer should care enough about that group to show up on the group's IRC channel. For devrel, at least, I'm proposing it as one of the requirements of membership. Others might have differing opinions; hence the designator RFC. As always, comments, criticisms, dissents, flames, etc. requested and welcome. Regards, Ferris --=20 Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) Developer, Gentoo Linux (Devrel, Sparc) --=-lJdYgZ8QQpw6g33vqIJA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7-ecc0.1.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGeotIQa6M3+I///cRArcfAKDWevmE7kfnC4DxaBi5l/txMcs6hwCbB7or FB4V3VolIg0qO+78YQofIBA= =QaKQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-lJdYgZ8QQpw6g33vqIJA-- -- gentoo-qa@gentoo.org mailing list