From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1ExVv3-0004hQ-3h for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:53:09 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0DKqgpr009826; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:52:42 GMT Received: from sommereik.ii.uib.no (sommereik.ii.uib.no [129.177.16.236]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0DKqgSI004672 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:52:42 GMT Received: from apal.ii.uib.no ([129.177.16.81]:52256 helo=[127.0.0.1] ident=[U2FsdGVkX1+HxWLBLXdYszt8OR0oRggqgOpHZD0TJJ8=]) by sommereik.ii.uib.no with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1ExVub-0004CM-2e; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:52:41 +0100 Message-ID: <43C81369.40403@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:54:01 +0100 From: Karl Trygve Kalleberg Organization: Gentoo Foundation User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051013) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-qa@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-qa@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-qa@lists.gentoo.org CC: solar@gentoo.org, ferringb@gentoo.org, swegener@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-qa] Autorepoman/QA Goals References: <43C8108B.1030404@egr.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <43C8108B.1030404@egr.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 4515a99b-fa33-4622-b18a-1dc352be30a0 X-Archives-Hash: 14a1baee61e0078871c141cf5817d297 Alec Joseph Warner wrote: > So all 3 of the people subscribed to this list have probably heard this > already, but I re-iterate here for those who don't spend their lives > staring at IRC backlogs. > > The current QA team is definately short on overall goals. We have a lot > of people that are passionate about QA, and they all do their own thing > to contribute. However I think we can do better. All the points you raise are valid, and have all been discussed before. I can remember most of these issues going back to '01/'02. The reason they aren't solved yet isn't because it's mentally difficult, or because the ideas are stupid. It's because (1) it's a lot of work to put everything together, (2) focus has been spent on dictating policies and arguing on the lists instead of producing code, (3) nobody has cared enough about the problem to actually write tools that developers can accept. Don't let my comment be a discouragement. It is not. I'm just saying that the best way out of this predicament is to just write the tools. Writing policies is useful for documentation, but useless for checking. Whoever picks up this project should carefully stay of of the limelight to avoid the usual flamefests. Historically, that's how the QA people got burnt out before, trying to force through policies, and never got around to the kick-ass tools we wanted. Cheers, -- Karl T -- gentoo-qa@gentoo.org mailing list