From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QOsFH-0002an-SK for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 24 May 2011 14:06:04 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B68601C566; Tue, 24 May 2011 14:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B0C1C561 for ; Tue, 24 May 2011 14:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [66.170.231.211] (unknown [66.170.231.211]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: c1pher) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DBC4B1B402B for ; Tue, 24 May 2011 14:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4DDBBA24.2010600@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 10:01:08 -0400 From: Dane Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110504 Lightning/1.0b3pre Thunderbird/3.1.10 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-qa@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-qa@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-qa@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-qa] Early elections for new QA lead References: <4DD78538.1000903@gentoo.org> <1305983038.5039.2.camel@raven.home.flameeyes.eu> <4DDA89D0.9000906@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4DDA89D0.9000906@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 67de6ab4f8d1b1a88523c4eeca9693e3 On 05/23/11 12:22, Markos Chandras wrote: > On 21/05/2011 02:03 =C2=BC=C2=BC, Diego Elio Petten=C3=B2 wrote: >> Il giorno sab, 21/05/2011 alle 12.26 +0300, Samuli Suominen ha scritto= : >>> In light of recent events, our current lead has proofen he can't >>> control >>> himself in civil manner. It's not a behavior lead should have and >>> tarnishes the reputation for whole team. >=20 >> Let it be on record that the reputation has been tarnished by QA membe= rs >> not following the very policy they are supposed to enforce. >=20 >> But fine by me, I candiate me and scarabeus. >=20 > 5 days and still no responses. May we should reconsider whether QA is > actually a "team" or just 4-5 individual members acting on their own? >=20 > Regards, I am following this issue and the bugs with Samuli and Arfrever etc. I just don't have anything to say. If we feel elections are necessary, I will participate. I think I am up to speed on all of what's been going on enough to voice my opinion intelligently. As to whether or not we need elections early, I don't think we do. I personally consider this entire issue to be a giant pile of nonsense. We are arguing over ChangeLogs. I can think of so many more important important issues than that to find solutions to. We also can easily automate ChangeLog generation etc as long as we want to log everything, in which case this entire fiasco would be moot. (There are also other solutions to this set of problems we could consider.) However, at the moment, the only thing I see is a pissing match over the current policy. Both sides have technical merits. However, we are creating a very public scene with all of this, and that is something I down right do not approve of. When we want to get back to the technical issue itself, I will gladly voice my opinion. I like to think that QA is a decent team of people. I've worked with most people on the team in the past couple months. Having said that, I don't think spending an hour or so every month or two making sure everyone is on the same page would be a bad idea. I also don't think formalizing some of the procedures etc would be a bad idea. There was one idea I thought was interesting on bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D368097 comment 51. None the less, that is all a topic for a separate thread. Regards, --=20 Dane Smith (c1pher) Gentoo Linux Developer -- QA / Crypto / Sunrise / x86 RSA Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=3D0x0C2E1531&op=3Dind= ex