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From: Dan Margolis <krispykringle@g.o>
To: Marc Ballarin <Ballarin.Marc@×××.de>
Cc: simons@××××.to, gentoo-security@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-security] Is anybody else worried about this?
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:58:03
Message-Id: 418E620F.8020707@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-security] Is anybody else worried about this? by Marc Ballarin
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4 Marc Ballarin wrote:
5 > I think that improperly used signatures are a dangerous placebo.
6 > Developers have to be well aware of how to treat and use their keys.
7 > Users have to be thoroughly educated about the meaning of a signature (ie
8 > which guarantees it gives and which it cannot give).
9 > If this does not happen, there will be a lot of dangerous
10 > misunderstanding and - eventually - bad blood.
11
12 I find all this talk really strange. Basically, ``let's not implement a
13 security feature, because people might think it provides more security
14 than it does, and blame us when it does not provide that security.''
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16 In fact, this *does* provide a clearly quantifiable security benefit, in
17 that rsync mirrors and channels of distribution (i.e. DNS servers,
18 routers, etc) need not be trusted. Currently, they must be trusted. So
19 this narrows the Trusted Computing Base down quite a bit, to get
20 technical, and anyone can see that this benefits security as a result.
21 Now, how much does it benefit? I don't know of a quanta to measure that in.
22
23 The point remains that this is a security benefit, and the only
24 arguments I've seen here against it are either that it's overhyped,
25 which is a meaningless argument and no reason not to implement it, or
26 that it's currently too difficult to do, which is not the case.
27
28 The reason it isn't implemented is becuase it takes a lot of people
29 getting on board before it works, right? Fine. I'm understanding, and
30 not terribly critical. But I think it's delusion to say that this
31 provides no security benefit; objectively, quantitatively, it does.
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33 Dan "KrispyKringle" Margolis
34 Security Coordinator/Audit Project, Gentoo Linux
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