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From: Mike Tangolics <mtangolics@××××××××.net>
To: gentoo-security@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-security] Security without obscurity
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:59:14
Message-Id: 401D54B9.7050502@patmedia.net
In Reply to: [gentoo-security] Security without obscurity (was: [gentoo-security] firewall suggestions?) by Andrew Ross
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4 This may be a tad offtopic but I had to mention it. There actually
5 already has been a case of people setting up faux ATM's.
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7 http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030812.gtatmm0812/BNStory/Technology/
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9 Andrew Ross wrote:
10 | Stewart Honsberger wrote:
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12 |> I don't send anything back to any unexpected port probes because I
13 |> don't want to.
14 |>
15 |> Sure, to some extent it is security through obscurity, but the old
16 |> addage isn't entirely correct. If not for security through obscurity
17 |> we'd all have our PIN numbers sharpie'd on our ATM cards.
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20 | Actually, keeping my PIN secret isn't security through obscurity.
21 |
22 | The idea of security without obscurity focuses on keeping the number of
23 | secrets at an absolute minimum. Systems designed around security through
24 | obscurity tend to rely on the secrecy of certain procedures or
25 | algorithms - once these are discovered by third parties, the security of
26 | the system has been reduced.
27 |
28 | Moving back to the PIN/ATM example:
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30 | Ideally, your PIN should be the ONLY secret involved - the encryption
31 | algorithms and communication protocols could all be public. In the real
32 | world, this isn't feasible (eg. ATMs do not authenticate themselves to
33 | the card holder. If the algorithms and protocols were public, someone
34 | could theoretically construct a trojan ATM and collect people's PINs and
35 | bank cards).
36 |
37 | Cheers
38 |
39 | Andrew
40 |
41 | P.S It's a PIN, not a Personal Identification Number (PIN) Number :-)
42 | Sorry, but it's one of my pet hates (just like Automatic Teller Machine
43 | (ATM) machines).
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