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From: Patrick Lauer <patrick@g.o>
To: gentoo-server@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-server] xen intel vt - slightly [OT]
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:40:16
Message-Id: 1146670637.14803.61.camel@localhost
In Reply to: [gentoo-server] xen intel vt - slightly [OT] by Jean Blignaut
1 On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 16:59 +0200, Jean Blignaut wrote:
2 > I have recently been investigating different virtualization solutions
3 > such as linuxvserver, bsd jails and xen.
4 >
5 >
6 >
7 > This xen stuff is confusing the heck out of me at first I figured it
8 > was similar to a linux vserver setup (which I managed to get working
9 > just fine and with out much head scratching) but after a lot of
10 > scratching around I not so sure.
11 It is almost, but not quite, completely unlike vserver ;-)
12
13 > It seems to me that while vserver is a modded linux kernel that xen is
14 > like a micro os that boots first and then boots into your dom0 (your
15 > primary os –with xennified kernel- whitch as I understand can control
16 > the others)
17 yes
18
19 > Also it seems that you could have more than one of these privilidged
20 > osses installed at the same time sharing different parts of the
21 > hardware.
22 in theory yes, I don't know how well that is supported
23
24 > It also seems that with new virtualization features in the latest
25 > intel/amd cpus that this hardware level sharing can be taken to a new
26 > level and that this would enable xen to run unmodified osses such as
27 > doors or freebsd (which currently has no xen dom0 support)
28 yes, Xen would act almost exactly like vmware, but without the
29 performance penalties
30 >
31 >
32 > My questions are:
33 >
34 > How would xen domUs compare to vserver?
35 Vserver is linux only, low overhead, single kernel image
36 Xen is generic and allows multiple independent kernels.
37
38 In Vserver you can see all running processes on the host - in Xen you
39 can't because different OSes may be running.
40
41 > How does this hardware sharing stuff work? Would I be able to control
42 > the same raid controller from inside several virtual machines at the
43 > same time – or in turns if it comes to that?
44 No, the "micro OS" presents you abstracted ressources, that's why you
45 have to change the kernel.
46 Your instance should only see something like "generic block device
47 200G"
48
49 > I suppose that a more usefull example would be the graphics hardware:
50 > would you be able to utilize the full potential of your graphics
51 > hardware in these virtual machines?
52 In theory yes, as far as I know there are still issues with some
53 hardware - sound support was broken last time I looked (quite some time
54 ago :-) )
55
56 wkr,
57 Patrick
58
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Re: [gentoo-server] xen intel vt - slightly [OT] Francesco Riosa <vivo@g.o>