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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <5799968.DvuYhMxLoT@cube> <4939706.GXAFRqVoOG@rogueboard> <5971061.MhkbZ0Pkbq@rogueboard> From: Dale Autocrypt: addr=rdalek1967@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBGFSciYBEADcEGMyJBSuavKO/XKUVvgkxck7Nl8Iuu8N2lcnRji/rSKg5c1Acix1ll9i oW8JBCHwvn0+Xy60BvEsqcup3YSHw5STl/bR1ePEehtnYrg8FdjdS91+B805RfnKMm69rFVI wLSBHQrSG1yxHd8CloWoEdhmVtP24buajbh114bgXd9ahtpZrCVMrWdWYUg2mEXguGV5uNAh Rf8SWxDNc79w24JxsV34a8niMUYMjzWr0rafIbzk732X38vGjVMLo/2mMpkbp9mPp++LHoY+ 0Pet8zxxdXPJSCd475kza1AD+hhSyBZXB9yknYWgyY3cZe1rGmooJSi2KX4QxO7npwLThcO1 be6KKRkd35+Fi/a1BzVOHsZMiK/gcwxEFoMd27gir4ehaeHJfFXl+65w4hj0EsOZSxrJrm2C R50g5By2czSKP1bADEygFNpIJj51AR+wM88NImG2RPtlT2maYBzazvF05g65cdHXGp1C7W5P wwwKU2DgABB2t7N7z5A69LnryBRw4zUYDRRYLTYlBlYgg+xILm2c0OrBdxJgLJa7JE50Eo25 d3PFwt9J0gYvqy6sPFLl9So0sDg9zm0hKQtXOP5kgropUFGrNoJI+mjwF4rYLRBVzZwNAvlO OhEvHubBo3mEllv4x+FeptwXZxlk7gUsdqI8AxnFB8K9wi6FVQARAQABtBtEYWxlIDxyZGFs ZWsxOTY3QGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JAk4EEwEIADgCGyMFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AW IQQSG1h01ruv/WNXc3Q3RqOgiQH1GwUCYVJy8gAKCRA3RqOgiQH1G+waEACeTZCt77jnRAmQ AV7otKuZekDWiLi3Eig8tj5ZJiCNSYA/hIxzmexRP0GMqjitcXK1iGwWcvMzzvIq30GAjIfB 4BR38cnXbtBa6fNewiT7QaZe/Hn6yBRldXNQypzbHy+/o27bUEy+oX4rE7etUgEHQAjuw7xz XFWg4tH1/KJvsOVY5upnWc5LdxYhsuQ3dQD4b22GsK0pOBDfb9PiirYM8eGKvrVuq4E/c75z lDDFhINl18lNZ9D0ZFL3IkTjHsAAqFH9uhnnEB8CWdHbBewPEfRaOhBUYWZ3Q8uTkmDgZT8q D9jlvLEdw7Nh2ApdxoepnI/4D+ql2Gr4DtH7SEPydr5gcf1Qr/2bXRb1hAYnIVcbncs/Bm3Z bkRKPVWMfE3Fusa+p5hMzixk0YysMaTHlc7mYRYAEZGnPMXnmcCbetwARU7A0yz1M1kCMOAQ Lsz8KH5kv3cRenMB6SFfjND2JfAK61H5TtnPq3L8noS2ZykRYxq9Nm3X64O1tJojIKBoZFr8 AwYNCvqC6puUyGMuzHPh7jPof8glfrrEKIYUvNPGMDoVX3IGetxh/9l6NcxgFA4JGoR+LS3C zmeNrwlllAe3OEUfKoWVQ+pagpSdM+8hHolaSda4Ys66Z3fCR4ZvcTqfhTAVskpqdXa4isAk 7vTcXu3L499ttywEp7rJTbkCDQRhUnImARAAncUdVhmtRr59zqpTUppKroQYlzR0jv8oa7DG K4gakTAT2N7evnI9wpssmzyVk8VEiLzhnFQ/Ol3FRt6hZCXDJt0clyHOyTfvz/MNFttWuZTc mLpSvmRR6VRjAH+Tz3Eam2xUw3PGuH97BcXQ3NnX3msv1UDxtxxBu6e2YrdeOhrCUSgzokcJ 98ChUNy934cgepPybAI12lSWqVFQ1aG7jExZfiUk+333fPSDbpKoZbTW5YJLXbycmW/C1IWL qYQyNjRWKaGoJtUWFhhmNiOQct7n90aKivNVPavmN+UQ9LlMaINtf9T6XCzLfogCFsulDCDJ 0yNQLDTurHaB4E71xoctgXmLLq9z1RQ0W2XiVAAOZQj6K3+d0AOUjDhCQ2QW8dUSq0ckkZXV DKVJOGS8Nhf2eIWIqRnP3AcUiiaiFGqUaVUmUAZ6h/oJmgghEu/1S+pcuUKU5i69+XCZ3hH2 Jzwzbf7K+FAIkOhCfHncF8i1N1pk00pOVykNnqHTfFo3qFusHt0ZWgXVnnn4pYdXqZNoDhvF BRE5Vm4k/k96Pw8HRx6Os6eFSRrlqGzRgqsu86FekxusXB9UGv4lJhtU/J+8MRWsh22K718s DbQnABicGKFz1qQlWvcf59oTByhLINJCBt1WXl+TzJDXepr3QSkqmK41dO9Hob97C9dMiK8A EQEAAYkCNgQYAQgAIAIbDBYhBBIbWHTWu6/9Y1dzdDdGo6CJAfUbBQJhUnLyAAoJEDdGo6CJ AfUbVHIQAKSWw620vPhR3A/njU2z77F3z/Jk+HTKdE3fIyWSWdkYN7CBFL0NguOMP30WZ+qE sJhZu7T5hf251MwQUUt27xlfnKYOmQs7CqONlXuXlGZI6WufrUjxNcVz+5gJsqvUWuuJWsgg sDmE92IBnfG/f81fPHWQyfr/SF4wYDMyoFp5xCCQpp1zB63iuFvvrhxBkEHzmbRtVDOhl0Xp BVEDR1w3QRACw9QJD/KM05Czv9JNQYlwinWO/OaQ9cMlUpKLgswUPg9IZ5vucxScfuAUA5uC B1jlAQ8ZPlVukBmbEv5RGOv+lpuEbA3YDMVtEeH4YMFbjt/+vH3Cr2vTbp5JlpByLburJEH0 WXZLUawEfUsZvVwpOuJK75vaa2HYXee+Cb3iCIzwfIfctdlqzUcbGRczlRNM59hpvj4z29Gh 3kAxVHItAYq54ikxQ9l4hQ8s9sLYPbX/WtcBxNX8crBSw0FLnmzGleVEtBHyqtt5CLzQNgrj GYWl1vKDUmRPw1CdZ1c+fMN9CY11jOM5B5ZnqZWfDeVYO2iJ5SuvTycChexCb8WYn1bdCBIo bBtga2RBXbVt4Mh9E4owsszefn51MwfjXxB20Fc5k3GU1AVpTCMs3ayYCzo0b2pvEvdjtDcA CYLEFPWgaFX9iQAM/CDfKvTtvgGWpqtCL2raq/mQoJEU Message-ID: <09cd5962-6428-6ae0-8e2f-291ad141687c@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 08:15:12 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------13C0E239D2A7B96494AE86AD" X-Archives-Salt: 2b06c43f-79af-409c-950e-d10d9adb590b X-Archives-Hash: edb9678ac03e7ae0c5b4d35f1d0c566a This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------13C0E239D2A7B96494AE86AD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Waldo Lemmer wrote: > On Mon, Aug 19, 2024, 11:12 Michael > wrote: > > > Then I end up with several of the same characters in a row.  > > The typing style for low profile keyboards is different to your > old keyboard.  > You are not meant to rest your hands/fingers on the keyboard and > then jump on > the keys as if it were a mechanical typewriter.  Instead your > fingers are > meant to float over it. > > However, what you're describing is key switch chatter.  Mechanical > keyboard > switches can suffer from this problem.  You depress a key once and > once only, > but it registers multiple inputs.  It can be *very* annoying!  > There are some > fixes for mechanical gaming keyboards, but if you have a new > keyboard you'd be > better off asking to RMA it. > > > I believe this is just Dale holding the keys for longer than the key > repeat delay, causing them to repeat. I doubt this is a hardware problem. > The old keyboard requires a little more push to make it type the letter.  Plus, it has a little click to it so you get feedback.  This thing, makes almost no noise at all.  It's hard to tell if a key is pressed or not, whether you are trying or not too.  I failed typing ages ago.  My Mom also wanted me to play the piano.  That didn't work well either.  Heck, sometimes what is in my brain just doesn't make it to the keyboard.  When I proof something, I'm not just looking for typos.  I'm looking for, does what I type make sense??  I try to keep in mind that while I know what I'm talking about; seeing, hearing or whatever, the other person on the receiving end of a email doesn't have that knowledge except what I type in.  It's why I mention something then describe it unless I know the person on the other end knows what I'm talking about.  It's why I hate when they change what something is called when it really hasn't changed.  Pick a name, stick with it.  We get confused enough without changing the names of things.  It's also the reason my emails can get lengthy.  Part of the problem, I can't feel a keyboard when I'm searching online.  I wish there was a showroom somewhere close that I could go type on lots of different keyboards.  Heck, just a few clicks would be enough.  Right now, I have a Dell KB212-B keyboard.  I've used it during the NAS box install and such before.  It was annoying then.  Having it on my main rig where I do a lot of typing, I want to use it for target practice to put it out of *MY* misery.  The old keyboard is a Dell QuietKey RT7D5JTW.  I don't see a date anywhere on the thing.  It is likely one of the first keyboards I had and could be more than 20 years old, 30 years wouldn't surprise me either.  I do take compressed air and blow out my keyboards on occasion.  I don't allow drinks of any kind around my puter either.  I don't think I've ever had a keyboard to actually stop working before.  One of the keyboards I liked most besides the old Dell QuietKey, the ones that came with old Wyse 50 and 60 terminals.  Those things had mechanical key switches.  When customers would spill coke or something in them and bring them to us for repair, I'd soak them in alcohol to clean them and then lay it upside down on top of the air conditioner condenser where there is lots of air flow and heat to dry the alcohol.  Once dry, it works fine again.  Those were some awesome keyboards.  Great feel and a nice click to let you know you hit a key.  Those were the days.  LOL So, it's me, not the keyboard.  Well, the keyboards works fine, it's just me not liking the way it feels and sounds.  Until I bought these new Dell keyboards, I didn't realize they were so different.  I might add, I've never seen a laptop that I liked the keyboard on.  It's one reason I won't buy one.  If the keyboard isn't bad enough, the little thing that replaces the mouse really turns me off.   Now if I could just find one with keys like my old Dell that didn't cost a arm or leg.  Dale :-)  :-)  --------------13C0E239D2A7B96494AE86AD Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Waldo Lemmer wrote:
On Mon, Aug 19, 2024, 11:12 Michael <confabulate@kintzios.com> wrote:
> Then I end up with several of the same characters in a row. 

The typing style for low profile keyboards is different to your old keyboard. 
You are not meant to rest your hands/fingers on the keyboard and then jump on
the keys as if it were a mechanical typewriter.  Instead your fingers are
meant to float over it.

However, what you're describing is key switch chatter.  Mechanical keyboard
switches can suffer from this problem.  You depress a key once and once only,
but it registers multiple inputs.  It can be *very* annoying!  There are some
fixes for mechanical gaming keyboards, but if you have a new keyboard you'd be
better off asking to RMA it.

I believe this is just Dale holding the keys for longer than the key repeat delay, causing them to repeat. I doubt this is a hardware problem.

The old keyboard requires a little more push to make it type the letter.  Plus, it has a little click to it so you get feedback.  This thing, makes almost no noise at all.  It's hard to tell if a key is pressed or not, whether you are trying or not too.  I failed typing ages ago.  My Mom also wanted me to play the piano.  That didn't work well either.  Heck, sometimes what is in my brain just doesn't make it to the keyboard.  When I proof something, I'm not just looking for typos.  I'm looking for, does what I type make sense??  I try to keep in mind that while I know what I'm talking about; seeing, hearing or whatever, the other person on the receiving end of a email doesn't have that knowledge except what I type in.  It's why I mention something then describe it unless I know the person on the other end knows what I'm talking about.  It's why I hate when they change what something is called when it really hasn't changed.  Pick a name, stick with it.  We get confused enough without changing the names of things.  It's also the reason my emails can get lengthy. 

Part of the problem, I can't feel a keyboard when I'm searching online.  I wish there was a showroom somewhere close that I could go type on lots of different keyboards.  Heck, just a few clicks would be enough.  Right now, I have a Dell KB212-B keyboard.  I've used it during the NAS box install and such before.  It was annoying then.  Having it on my main rig where I do a lot of typing, I want to use it for target practice to put it out of *MY* misery.  The old keyboard is a Dell QuietKey RT7D5JTW.  I don't see a date anywhere on the thing.  It is likely one of the first keyboards I had and could be more than 20 years old, 30 years wouldn't surprise me either.  I do take compressed air and blow out my keyboards on occasion.  I don't allow drinks of any kind around my puter either.  I don't think I've ever had a keyboard to actually stop working before. 

One of the keyboards I liked most besides the old Dell QuietKey, the ones that came with old Wyse 50 and 60 terminals.  Those things had mechanical key switches.  When customers would spill coke or something in them and bring them to us for repair, I'd soak them in alcohol to clean them and then lay it upside down on top of the air conditioner condenser where there is lots of air flow and heat to dry the alcohol.  Once dry, it works fine again.  Those were some awesome keyboards.  Great feel and a nice click to let you know you hit a key.  Those were the days.  LOL

So, it's me, not the keyboard.  Well, the keyboards works fine, it's just me not liking the way it feels and sounds.  Until I bought these new Dell keyboards, I didn't realize they were so different.  I might add, I've never seen a laptop that I liked the keyboard on.  It's one reason I won't buy one.  If the keyboard isn't bad enough, the little thing that replaces the mouse really turns me off.  

Now if I could just find one with keys like my old Dell that didn't cost a arm or leg. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 
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