Re: [gentoo-user] python breakage

[William Kenworthy <bill@kenworthy.id.au>]

On 2/11/24 10:04, Matt Jolly wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> On 2/11/24 10:51, William Kenworthy wrote:
>
>> My questions (for gentoo) is this another gentoo only hack, or an 
>> upstream hard requirement and how can it be turned off.
>>
>> BillK
>
> This is PEP 668 in action.
>
> https://peps.python.org/pep-0668/
> https://packaging.python.org/en/latest/specifications/externally-managed-environments/#externally-managed-environments 
>
>
> While annoying the intent here is to stop users from shooting
> themselves in the foot by breaking critical system packages.
>
> As you've identified, virtual environments are the "solution"
> to this "problem".
>
> https://packaging.python.org/en/latest/specifications/virtual-environments/#virtual-environments 
>
>
> If you wish to go back to the old behaviour you can install mask
> the EXTERNALLY_MANAGED file.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matt
>
Hi Matt, as per my previous email I already know about 
"EXTERNALLY_MANAGED" - this is really independent of the the problem 
PEP668 addresses which is package managers.  What I have run into (see 
the error message I included with the previous email) is that after 
deleting the "EXTERNALLY_MANAGED" tokens something is now enforcing 
using a venv but isnt providing a workaround for older packages and 
those that dont use a venv.  I am not sure if its within python or 
gentoo so I am asking for a hint as its a lot of code to go through.  
Nothing is showing up that I have found in searching so far as 
everything is assuming its a user doing a direct install, not a python 
module auto installing/updating missing deps on startup.

BillK


It isnt clear that is being caused by the