From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8695159C9B for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2024 08:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C2241E2B4F; Tue, 6 Aug 2024 08:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-200161.simplelogin.co (mail-200161.simplelogin.co [176.119.200.161]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FECCE2B42 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2024 08:29:23 +0000 (UTC) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=simplelogin.co; s=arc-20230626; t=1722932960; cv=none; b=gdgdp32KaCH+fJlJ2mhS8No14p6lufRyi8BWwBunvVOTfmLEfq+QB1G75PH4Y5YwjXKC2tbIicjDlrTxBgjdcY8k3kmlKIpNL6oWSr33On4DhLiqGQsCfNow9chhYFZTdLwUzCNG0ayLbEIVmzt/DCAyBRa008K4sHzU2/nMZQl9vL9MgiTu4ujg3EAdSVxZLxuWKb0gyKEUEdpb1gleBeYWv+EHEVoQvl09dBA58AgUbBMCtogXTrjVYMNk3hOxbD7oZHEI5mb/Mo4qyI9Guj4ny2uj4gXk5ME9JIc48DBZ4DgkEw9M5zNtUBYIi9GlJMbRWEr3AgrH3eqVVc/opQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=simplelogin.co; s=arc-20230626; t=1722932960; c=relaxed/simple; bh=kk8FSSZFP+R1/LMkNGnR9RceBaHrS2Ztc6wbi4dNvA0=; h=Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:From:To:References; b=oGFdakIhrnryOqBFC1eWwp5D2ndSwpPMaaJYVPIZy7bO8+WB443nL4mw2KbMzDmLZQyMab+c5ZJBd9ZVPdr62klaNN5w1Okc0rjw5p9RSo1e5H2Eq0ew2khgVsJR81gukWZihChoOuwuc8c/7Y0gRyKh8zcqO/kSjNBdd7c1Q6GQv65qIBSd5ygRm78oyOJ9y/X3qZ0n0wS2oDY+TxpJgz7eg9kyfB0+y6npD0NpzouQ/QPrWadykyjYnV4gWB6XBH70P2UkTJD2L6qwzoDCsIEqZ20ywLV9wCeXD82jHpITVDa0NkJK4mLXPCzzuUil3IBLyLogQ9wXx1AydXy79g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mail.protonmail.ch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=simplelogin.com; s=dkim; t=1722932960; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=3B0xMM4sFU4QBT75yszeN3/WIQRVE+Z7Tr2S3B4KD+U=; b=N+q9Sl/ZZQHLF4iHpe60VM+bgQgBaZnKxRckKCaNWIWgijmu1HuFAX3ojOB87MNC76jnT3 +Paun0aBRN4RAr5or04euz4BupPSME5gWOCwu+uf5jfP0vdFwA8jtXNTc7ZWdyEm2C6uhj n+0bHhSLTk8Wy7uHmmXi9/ZEAhehBQ0= Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2024 08:29:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [Possible phishing attempt] Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland In-Reply-To: <64024636-b440-45c2-9185-e7f1e11cef7a@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="------0984419f1735ffecf128a0dd680ff9eef2395c6bd5004882d4aca9343ead35ad"; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: byte.size226@simplelogin.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <172293296018.7.13559301654216822263.398549037@simplelogin.com> References: <224010fd-7999-4e67-860a-a2b62d792dab@gmail.com> <64024636-b440-45c2-9185-e7f1e11cef7a@gmail.com> X-SimpleLogin-Type: Reply X-SimpleLogin-EmailLog-ID: 398549037 X-SimpleLogin-Want-Signing: yes X-Archives-Salt: 66e8bacc-4354-4eb7-bc49-96cbf0898925 X-Archives-Hash: ca4ecae716b0ee71a6902776e4f1f0c3 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------0984419f1735ffecf128a0dd680ff9eef2395c6bd5004882d4aca9343ead35ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <2f299d07-3638-45dd-b22f-f0f731b2d98e@victorivanov.io> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2024 09:29:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [Possible phishing attempt] Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland To: "gentoo-user at lists.gentoo.org" References: <224010fd-7999-4e67-860a-a2b62d792dab@gmail.com> <64024636-b440-45c2-9185-e7f1e11cef7a@gmail.com> Content-Language: en-GB From: Victor Ivanov In-Reply-To: <64024636-b440-45c2-9185-e7f1e11cef7a@gmail.com> On 05/08/2024 23:56, Daniel Frey wrote: > I'm glad I'm not the only one having problems. It does make me wonder > though if the discrete video card (nvidia) is the cause of some/most of > these problems. > If I were to 'guess', I think it's the Nvidia drivers and less to do with Wayland implementation. I have an Nvidia RTX 20-series and Wayland sessions generally exhibit mostly the same issues as yours - flickering and/or freezing/unresponsive panels, random KDE crashes, and general instability. Sleep simply doesn't work at all properly with a wayland session and my PC freezes, requiring a reboot. Mind you, this is a modern system with an X670E chipset, but certainly not modern enough to still have launch issues. It's the same with both the proprietary Nvidia driver and the new 1st party open-source driver that comes with the 555-series drivers. I've not tried nouveau - it's on my list, but I sometimes need CUDA so not yet sure how this is going to wor k out without a driver swap. > They don't happen in X11 though. Same here. X11 is mostly stable for nvidia except for suspend/resume which can often not suspend at all, requiring multiple attempts, or borking up the screen resolution. I say 'guess' above in quotes because Nvidia have notoriously bad drivers for Linux and Wayland support has been pretty non-existent _and_ I've been using Wayland as a daily driver with AMD (current laptop) and Intel GPUs (previous laptop) for about 2 years without any major issues outside of minor known KDE bugs which have got hoovered over time with updates. Furthermore, on my workstation (with the Nvidia GPU) all problems, Wayland and the X11 sleep issue , essentially disappear as soon as I wire things up to the onboard built-in Ryzen GPU and switch to the "amdgpu" driver and Wayland is rock solid - no sleep/resume issues either. So... yes, in my experience Nvidia is just crap on Linux and, frankly, given where they seem to be headed wrt their business priorities, I don't see this getting any better any time soon. I think my next GPU upgrade, whenever that may be, will be an AMD. I'm curious to see how KDE 6 will behave once stabilised. It's supposed to have further Wayland improvements, but I'm not holding my breath as I don't think it's necessarily KDE's problem. - Victor --------0984419f1735ffecf128a0dd680ff9eef2395c6bd5004882d4aca9343ead35ad Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: ProtonMail wnUEARYIACcFAmax3toJEMuXJJI+vh0uFiEE59g+WZi8eZ7/aQNqy5ckkj6+ HS4AAMcgAP0Z1aNUDw01TuTSE4fxuwKmYsYc2mdjDMjkfWc9yeZobQD/XeGg JsBBUFsMfJf9sCUozz+fyuUNYzOpG4fLPGL9Mwo= =Syfq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------0984419f1735ffecf128a0dd680ff9eef2395c6bd5004882d4aca9343ead35ad--