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Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since
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Michael wrote:
> On Thursday 26 September 2024 22:11:20 BST Dale wrote:
>
>> root@Gentoo-1 / # telnet smtp.gmail.com 587
>> Trying 142.251.116.108...
>> Trying 2607:f8b0:4023:1000::6c...
>> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable
>> root@Gentoo-1 / #
>>
>>
>> Can't connect. Well, that explains a lot. It can't reach anything to
>> log into. It looks like it is trying both IPv4 and v6. So, I used
>> ping. It works there.
> STOP RIGHT THERE!
>
> You may not have a mail application configuration problem after all (ssmtp/
> msmtp), but you definitely have a network/server connectivity problem. You
> need to sort out the network connection first, before you look at your smtp
> client configuration.
>
That's my thinking but everything else works fine. Seamonkey email
works just fine.
>> root@Gentoo-1 / # ping smtp.gmail.com
>> PING smtp.gmail.com (142.250.115.108) 56(84) bytes of data.
>> 64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53
>> time=32.1 ms
>> 64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=2 ttl=53
>> time=45.0 ms
>> 64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=3 ttl=53
>> time=39.3 ms
>> ^C
>> --- smtp.gmail.com ping statistics ---
>> 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 1998ms
>> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 32.062/38.776/45.017/5.299 ms
>> root@Gentoo-1 / # ping 142.251.116.108
>> PING 142.251.116.108 (142.251.116.108) 56(84) bytes of data.
>> 64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=30.4 ms
>> 64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=56.0 ms
>> 64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=30.6 ms
>> ^C
>> --- 142.251.116.108 ping statistics ---
>> 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2000ms
>> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 30.351/38.988/56.049/12.063 ms
>> root@Gentoo-1 / #
> So you can access the server, but not connect to the port.
>
> Can you connect to ports 25, or 465?
>
> Can you connect to 'smtp-relay.gmail.com' instead?
>
> If you cannot see an open port, then either your network is misconfigured, or
> you've annoyed Google enough to block your access to their smtp service.
>
>
>> What silly boo boo did I make this time????
>>
>>>> I am connected through a VPN but Seamonkey works fine. I can check and
>>>> send email there,
> Ah! I have found Google logs your IP address and when this changes they may
> choose to block your connection to their service. Often it sends you a
> message in your backup email address/phone asking you to confirm if the device
> and new IP address you are trying to connect from is you and yours.
>
> Throwing a VPN in the works may trigger the above security (re)action, when
> your client is using an 'App Password' token, as opposed to the full OAUTH2
> exchange.
>
I have had it send a thing I have to use on my phone. I don't recall
giving google my phone number tho. I rarely give my phone number to any
website. Heck, except for a couple people, I don't ever answer the
phone anyway. My default ring tone is silent. Only half a dozen people
have a ring tone.
>> That is true but why buy one if you can't run it? LOL This is yet
>> another reason I want to switch from Gmail. They nothing but nosy
>> anyway. I think it is common knowledge that they scan all emails and
>> use the info for various things, including ads, which I block by the way.
> Google's modus operandi is arguably predicated on recording your data, your
> location, your movements, your purchases, your contacts, your written/spoken
> word, your interests, your thoughts, etc. Selling advertisements is a
> monetisation mechanism to facilitate the high cost of their operation. They
> are not unique in this endeavor, other Big-Tech quasi-monopolies are
> performing the same role. The offer of 'free' internet services is the
> honeypot used to attract footfall.
Yep. Looking at that Proton email thing. It doesn't cost to much for
that basic thing above free. I just renewed my Surfshark so want to
spread these bills a little apart. I'm mostly just wanting something
that works like gmail but doesn't snoop. I got encryption set up, I
think anyway. I haven't used it since transferring to new rig.
I'm wondering if we should just start from scratch. Either I missed
something simple or something is missing somewhere. I'm also wondering
of that /var/spool method might be better.
Dale
:-) :-)