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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: Content-Language: en-US From: Matt Jolly Autocrypt: addr=kangie@gentoo.org; keydata= xsFNBF6BjksBEAC1QaqF3zKOgdunRhkt9nXkdlsL1sriTBk3WSy4De6wYLjiSofGRJY5pAiH EnlD/oW+sxDQ1DQQ3jNW/xlLUKFKYRnWhmkUv7iy0VDFrdj3mZic1pWr5a+sFX9DZNdYxLaa RIVgkstsLbf0ks5EvIqk5d7Ty8B48CgZZL7RXpAP7xrOgmat+JXNovX4djPW7HyNfblcAbzj tsLcQf7/4Q0LfK7wW3MVJmpmNK7dSKKaWgSXY7IICird0tNMF41vuMRJIta0NtIARq+AjCxV 0iEb5odYIbrbamCpzhupJM8M5LPZkbQERIF+OTzGiXhlGVloxlB+vpTzv2oY+fQkLBSSL+NS P2Pv01exA+ezA+5r+KUClA7qUnC8UriwixjJuWfoe03sYRPb91z4nlBKiCP6+jcJpS4+KsgT +//r2PdHBQDC4kVimjWDfbfXoVUhtxbQ3t/Y1vro5WQvOsgNl53hWcuHd1O+zPS1d7x5xj7a otyLJbDwtNDtApHxNYld/w/uj0QpIlz1hj9QX/NthYe6nHYgPVtEmAXjqtdIxrlS6Qx/Gaqf xVhaxtLJVDWqba4GsVA1xlFuQKJ+RTT9OXGhpQNkLPo7rt5FP3C/SUVJa3YewE3x8vmHvfoK PoKGA/wnBCVO68yQw5K3opb5DC4Z9tngrwGXyfhZzE9Uqk+wswARAQABzR5NYXR0IEpvbGx5 IDxrYW5naWVAZ2VudG9vLm9yZz7CwZQEEwEKAD4WIQTdt8K8F88DrbOPnBZQ7FSNUuBRwAUC ZccI4wIbAwUJC5i9UAULCQgHAwUVCgkICwUWAwIBAAIeBQIXgAAKCRBQ7FSNUuBRwCNuEACi 1C6XSSPWfFh/14Tn3TqseLvX0554tmsW7FoxEu1jGQIEA2f6rtmn6P2ZKCTmqxzUC0sb17TL 8/8sP7ignGJ3nuPgEczv/VeNQziMOmfxjf2VLk8pQ0seQbAwNMvrgjgcRhCdqwIlQKHURlzj qUbNvp7czV8FVd2qV3iLcf3i8VNbqfBffsTxeyhV88ks9FmbT8VcO2bV1Snl6LsG8u3QKme/ kCxg438w1IozYIGP/2M/rl7SUPhuat66mptm9009g8xnXgJBiwI39ZsDhJ8x8sSN2tF3prsG 2SvInhROv8FBmN/DbjfCda2I3hSoSLp5Q/+FeYNJflcBcuWmEU77KhqSBFJrdPZg6+aleQsL vI2WPvwKWZzveUMwbn1ahnwrfLIW2Ue0JMIR/nRXUy7d7ngx111P27si27n/XNrtzCqWQnj9 MpcZ+8GO670H5MR1iV0FEG4rz1iEcw/fNgFFrF0HRgHXrUzSx/aKQDjvDrnZBmslnLXQ8uJS pYUCCluOE7xX6D4R2+K4u7KsEWFlCqhTGAeOMZLY5avjhiQF9ZKtsDcVY3fZwrih+uWvvpPF zAKy3hiY+uC3HQqvJYQofogm1Ls/5WYZ9syBjKPdFnpsj33NTTmDDAz+yl+Y1Unp4iU/SnyR JXB2usTR8b1rMywp4YI9B8OBd+RkBOVIGc7BTQRegY5LARAAs/Hifx+R6ItN95PhwcsGr8/V q8dOqTbPd72/BppY8yeJZFRTl0n24ZVWXBJKBSnIfe8uFmNO/f58yY/MJ2ADF5Sqyn8V76Nb t2JS+dqxlnKxkjsXiKJhZiJ0Mp2+oGO1mBbJpjqWGWiVDBp0P0O4DX+ELWI/MfGiavLO8BXl vL2/qlT8we4obExgStAClKqjM9eIKFL93xPrgS8sFmAGSHC4e0wD9YjjxX4AkIdoJ1F2m47y 2QgGKj9w16sqZswt0XOa+TLNIMEgXH24m66kQHUxE1JZfFDWX5HmC2BRFEfIjaQHsDLYBTYJ 8vkIUR0uZm9I/TUnAQMrN20/y2cbFIUynsNKArg03ZpzCxegOxJSPIv6j97Hy4byDyu/Ybj4 Z8d9/buGHHjzwRLkszyKEYcSSRVvk7Z1kSsfya7OmO7RMJoRwLH/CSZUR23q4X/w8oUSUXl/ S8+avuji3eDGk1Fyr+UjRabXqRL63wghBS895JWYAQRGcDL0d2x/cJi+JACT5Mezchgj393n 43yOvVeVotHvbk0ez+YOJ/pUDBFVzD0FPBeS2YTKrWJXRlxtRTei4B6LzbMFddMYclFDjVqq WcW+1d9Ck0H3pIB9BkAOcyZ7OLMH4GFxwPmR0xILBTt8ZnBbKrKDHikVMJoP1f9oEJ2HuQHe 51/w75JFpUkAEQEAAcLBfAQYAQoAJgIbDBYhBN23wrwXzwOts4+cFlDsVI1S4FHABQJld9e9 BQkLmM9yAAoJEFDsVI1S4FHApS8P/2Dovmb516e0PcmYvVoN835cEBgUEQc0lnQAYuNRIPgI CMfNfeZTRdANzyPYYdp+VQCzj95mUt4qlY0PkEGOR1b+2bjeyqp/zAHQShft7FHpsgeRObaW lKE6q9xwUGsOoOcBsWZiwd4xvalIaBG6uczlTrSGJycTF21c35pP6o/eiQs2d/qIVBUMdAtw kefO+pYds1YoyNW2YxGLThWAqNYoThGFsfOqrvLR2HWOcFeneR+PXx2loGdrHE/D6QXpVXxk qRNPig8E68gAVX7q8eRr5+bkJBrG2QvVsc0opiW6AljCJC0gJt5nuHKOObDAmoGx2PuRppT4 +wGd1yCElUZ602Opuf2gqS2nxSypf568EIcoSMEzbJFLrAoy3MReTMoltAJVJU8sA9OXYSOg AjHg7aU/nmO8KFHIZMiW24XJ577iU48UV+u8Rpmv4y16uAhp8AI4wvkk6xa5tNcCWU1Ati6Y yrdk2hf9dD29ePUkHKKSfbewr+qZ9dRL1dUXsaGa64oOXmUALxGNNzj7V828PbWa16x3JbYi gwBNqcgATaAZgDrXMV9ynB4aU1eSNNs/1R0Ic6B7c9yWaI568V7XKldus1QclpELQ4Lu+r/F H065qJMw4LqNs4gEDgd3JzNiNC0Jy+I8mD73YSeo87mE1KOCY0f9DNaBJ+v32E+Z In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 81f2066a-05e5-49e5-94cd-e44ee0819c19 X-Archives-Hash: 79555d25dde81ed6333bc94b5143252d Hi Dale, > My question is this. Given they cost about $20 more, from what I've > found anyway, is it worth it? Is there a downside to this new set of > heads being added? I'm thinking a higher failure rate, more risk to > data or something like that. I think this is a fairly new thing, last > couple years or so maybe. We all know how some new things don't work out. At least one vendor has been trying to sell me on these recently, claiming higher bandwidth and better ability to seek. I have not yet actually used these. > Just looking for thoughts and opinions, facts if someone has some. > Failure rate compared to single actuator drives if there is such data. > My searched didn't help me find anything useful. There's no reason to suspect that these are going to be terrible, they appear to be the next step on the Seagate roadmap before HAMR drives hit the market in the coming years. I haven't seen much on the reliability side of things, however I wouldn't be too concerned, assuming that there's proper backup in place - Any other drive (including SSDs) could "just die" for a multitude of reasons. > P. S. My greens are growing like weeds. Usually they ready to pick by > now but having to wait for the tree to be cut down and cut up delayed > that. Should be ready by Christmas, I hope. Oh, planted oats, clover, > kale and some other extra seeds I had in open area. I saw a LARGE buck > deer the other night snacking on the oats. My neighbor would rather see > it in his freezer tho. o_0 Hopefully there's some left for you! Cheers, Matt