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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <1e394615-819f-4740-9a91-3f80a7fa64e2@gentoo.org> From: Dale Autocrypt: addr=rdalek1967@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBGFSciYBEADcEGMyJBSuavKO/XKUVvgkxck7Nl8Iuu8N2lcnRji/rSKg5c1Acix1ll9i oW8JBCHwvn0+Xy60BvEsqcup3YSHw5STl/bR1ePEehtnYrg8FdjdS91+B805RfnKMm69rFVI wLSBHQrSG1yxHd8CloWoEdhmVtP24buajbh114bgXd9ahtpZrCVMrWdWYUg2mEXguGV5uNAh Rf8SWxDNc79w24JxsV34a8niMUYMjzWr0rafIbzk732X38vGjVMLo/2mMpkbp9mPp++LHoY+ 0Pet8zxxdXPJSCd475kza1AD+hhSyBZXB9yknYWgyY3cZe1rGmooJSi2KX4QxO7npwLThcO1 be6KKRkd35+Fi/a1BzVOHsZMiK/gcwxEFoMd27gir4ehaeHJfFXl+65w4hj0EsOZSxrJrm2C R50g5By2czSKP1bADEygFNpIJj51AR+wM88NImG2RPtlT2maYBzazvF05g65cdHXGp1C7W5P wwwKU2DgABB2t7N7z5A69LnryBRw4zUYDRRYLTYlBlYgg+xILm2c0OrBdxJgLJa7JE50Eo25 d3PFwt9J0gYvqy6sPFLl9So0sDg9zm0hKQtXOP5kgropUFGrNoJI+mjwF4rYLRBVzZwNAvlO OhEvHubBo3mEllv4x+FeptwXZxlk7gUsdqI8AxnFB8K9wi6FVQARAQABtBtEYWxlIDxyZGFs ZWsxOTY3QGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JAk4EEwEIADgCGyMFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AW IQQSG1h01ruv/WNXc3Q3RqOgiQH1GwUCYVJy8gAKCRA3RqOgiQH1G+waEACeTZCt77jnRAmQ AV7otKuZekDWiLi3Eig8tj5ZJiCNSYA/hIxzmexRP0GMqjitcXK1iGwWcvMzzvIq30GAjIfB 4BR38cnXbtBa6fNewiT7QaZe/Hn6yBRldXNQypzbHy+/o27bUEy+oX4rE7etUgEHQAjuw7xz XFWg4tH1/KJvsOVY5upnWc5LdxYhsuQ3dQD4b22GsK0pOBDfb9PiirYM8eGKvrVuq4E/c75z lDDFhINl18lNZ9D0ZFL3IkTjHsAAqFH9uhnnEB8CWdHbBewPEfRaOhBUYWZ3Q8uTkmDgZT8q D9jlvLEdw7Nh2ApdxoepnI/4D+ql2Gr4DtH7SEPydr5gcf1Qr/2bXRb1hAYnIVcbncs/Bm3Z bkRKPVWMfE3Fusa+p5hMzixk0YysMaTHlc7mYRYAEZGnPMXnmcCbetwARU7A0yz1M1kCMOAQ Lsz8KH5kv3cRenMB6SFfjND2JfAK61H5TtnPq3L8noS2ZykRYxq9Nm3X64O1tJojIKBoZFr8 AwYNCvqC6puUyGMuzHPh7jPof8glfrrEKIYUvNPGMDoVX3IGetxh/9l6NcxgFA4JGoR+LS3C zmeNrwlllAe3OEUfKoWVQ+pagpSdM+8hHolaSda4Ys66Z3fCR4ZvcTqfhTAVskpqdXa4isAk 7vTcXu3L499ttywEp7rJTbkCDQRhUnImARAAncUdVhmtRr59zqpTUppKroQYlzR0jv8oa7DG K4gakTAT2N7evnI9wpssmzyVk8VEiLzhnFQ/Ol3FRt6hZCXDJt0clyHOyTfvz/MNFttWuZTc mLpSvmRR6VRjAH+Tz3Eam2xUw3PGuH97BcXQ3NnX3msv1UDxtxxBu6e2YrdeOhrCUSgzokcJ 98ChUNy934cgepPybAI12lSWqVFQ1aG7jExZfiUk+333fPSDbpKoZbTW5YJLXbycmW/C1IWL qYQyNjRWKaGoJtUWFhhmNiOQct7n90aKivNVPavmN+UQ9LlMaINtf9T6XCzLfogCFsulDCDJ 0yNQLDTurHaB4E71xoctgXmLLq9z1RQ0W2XiVAAOZQj6K3+d0AOUjDhCQ2QW8dUSq0ckkZXV DKVJOGS8Nhf2eIWIqRnP3AcUiiaiFGqUaVUmUAZ6h/oJmgghEu/1S+pcuUKU5i69+XCZ3hH2 Jzwzbf7K+FAIkOhCfHncF8i1N1pk00pOVykNnqHTfFo3qFusHt0ZWgXVnnn4pYdXqZNoDhvF BRE5Vm4k/k96Pw8HRx6Os6eFSRrlqGzRgqsu86FekxusXB9UGv4lJhtU/J+8MRWsh22K718s DbQnABicGKFz1qQlWvcf59oTByhLINJCBt1WXl+TzJDXepr3QSkqmK41dO9Hob97C9dMiK8A EQEAAYkCNgQYAQgAIAIbDBYhBBIbWHTWu6/9Y1dzdDdGo6CJAfUbBQJhUnLyAAoJEDdGo6CJ AfUbVHIQAKSWw620vPhR3A/njU2z77F3z/Jk+HTKdE3fIyWSWdkYN7CBFL0NguOMP30WZ+qE sJhZu7T5hf251MwQUUt27xlfnKYOmQs7CqONlXuXlGZI6WufrUjxNcVz+5gJsqvUWuuJWsgg sDmE92IBnfG/f81fPHWQyfr/SF4wYDMyoFp5xCCQpp1zB63iuFvvrhxBkEHzmbRtVDOhl0Xp BVEDR1w3QRACw9QJD/KM05Czv9JNQYlwinWO/OaQ9cMlUpKLgswUPg9IZ5vucxScfuAUA5uC B1jlAQ8ZPlVukBmbEv5RGOv+lpuEbA3YDMVtEeH4YMFbjt/+vH3Cr2vTbp5JlpByLburJEH0 WXZLUawEfUsZvVwpOuJK75vaa2HYXee+Cb3iCIzwfIfctdlqzUcbGRczlRNM59hpvj4z29Gh 3kAxVHItAYq54ikxQ9l4hQ8s9sLYPbX/WtcBxNX8crBSw0FLnmzGleVEtBHyqtt5CLzQNgrj GYWl1vKDUmRPw1CdZ1c+fMN9CY11jOM5B5ZnqZWfDeVYO2iJ5SuvTycChexCb8WYn1bdCBIo bBtga2RBXbVt4Mh9E4owsszefn51MwfjXxB20Fc5k3GU1AVpTCMs3ayYCzo0b2pvEvdjtDcA CYLEFPWgaFX9iQAM/CDfKvTtvgGWpqtCL2raq/mQoJEU Message-ID: <34e92096-da1f-ae48-8b75-5e980d306933@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2024 07:05:53 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.19 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1e394615-819f-4740-9a91-3f80a7fa64e2@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: cd5e6300-f301-409a-b241-d41c02ca1ae6 X-Archives-Hash: 789bf935407e3afca5b1dec9277d8442 Matt Jolly wrote: > Hi Dale, > >> My question is this.  Given they cost about $20 more, from what I've >> found anyway, is it worth it?  Is there a downside to this new set of >> heads being added?  I'm thinking a higher failure rate, more risk to >> data or something like that.  I think this is a fairly new thing, last >> couple years or so maybe.  We all know how some new things don't work >> out. > > At least one vendor has been trying to sell me on these recently, > claiming higher bandwidth and better ability to seek. I have not yet > actually used these. > >> Just looking for thoughts and opinions, facts if someone has some. >> Failure rate compared to single actuator drives if there is such data. >> My searched didn't help me find anything useful. > > There's no reason to suspect that these are going to be terrible, they > appear to be the next step on the Seagate roadmap before HAMR drives > hit the market in the coming years. > > I haven't seen much on the reliability side of things, however I > wouldn't be too concerned, assuming that there's proper backup in > place - Any other drive (including SSDs) could "just die" for a > multitude of > reasons. > Well, the PV I'm planning to put this on isn't backed up at all.  It's torrent data.  If it is lost, hopefully I can get it back again.  Still, I don't want to lose any drive or data if I can help it.  It's why I always get cases that have good cooling.  My old Cooler Master HAF-932 had excellent hard drive cooling for the ones mounted on the bottom.  The 5-1/4 bays not so much.  While running a bit warmer, it still cooled good even when filled up.  My new Fractal Design Define 7 XL has even better cooling in a way.  The hard drives are not as close to the fans but it cools all mechanical drives.  Anyway, it was something new to me and I was curious as to what it does.  Reading other replies, it sounds like it is OK but as with anything, there can be issues.  >> P. S.  My greens are growing like weeds.  Usually they ready to pick by >> now but having to wait for the tree to be cut down and cut up delayed >> that.  Should be ready by Christmas, I hope.  Oh, planted oats, clover, >> kale and some other extra seeds I had in open area.  I saw a LARGE buck >> deer the other night snacking on the oats.  My neighbor would rather see >> it in his freezer tho.  o_0 > > Hopefully there's some left for you! > > Cheers, > > Matt > > 1/3rd of my garden is for people.  Kale, collards, turnip and mustard greens.  That is inside a electric fence to keep the deer out.  The open part outside the fence is a mix of oats, clover and such.  I just grow it to keep the soil erosion down, improve the organic matter and let the deer have something to munch on, besides what is inside the fence.  I did have to add another spool of fence tape tho.  Dang deer got in but had trouble leaving.  He tore up my fence a bit.  I got the wires closer together now so he won't be getting in again.  Funny thing, bucks tend to tear up fences.  Does rarely do.  It's the antlers.  They get hung up and the shocks makes a deer want to be somewhere else.  I can't blame him tho.  Those shocks hurt, bad.  Several of them can easily kill a deer sized animal, even a cow or horse.  Time for my weekly Doctor visit.  Reply to others later on.  Dale :-)  :-)