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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <2965683.e9J7NaK4W3@rogueboard> From: Dale Autocrypt: addr=rdalek1967@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBGFSciYBEADcEGMyJBSuavKO/XKUVvgkxck7Nl8Iuu8N2lcnRji/rSKg5c1Acix1ll9i oW8JBCHwvn0+Xy60BvEsqcup3YSHw5STl/bR1ePEehtnYrg8FdjdS91+B805RfnKMm69rFVI wLSBHQrSG1yxHd8CloWoEdhmVtP24buajbh114bgXd9ahtpZrCVMrWdWYUg2mEXguGV5uNAh Rf8SWxDNc79w24JxsV34a8niMUYMjzWr0rafIbzk732X38vGjVMLo/2mMpkbp9mPp++LHoY+ 0Pet8zxxdXPJSCd475kza1AD+hhSyBZXB9yknYWgyY3cZe1rGmooJSi2KX4QxO7npwLThcO1 be6KKRkd35+Fi/a1BzVOHsZMiK/gcwxEFoMd27gir4ehaeHJfFXl+65w4hj0EsOZSxrJrm2C R50g5By2czSKP1bADEygFNpIJj51AR+wM88NImG2RPtlT2maYBzazvF05g65cdHXGp1C7W5P wwwKU2DgABB2t7N7z5A69LnryBRw4zUYDRRYLTYlBlYgg+xILm2c0OrBdxJgLJa7JE50Eo25 d3PFwt9J0gYvqy6sPFLl9So0sDg9zm0hKQtXOP5kgropUFGrNoJI+mjwF4rYLRBVzZwNAvlO OhEvHubBo3mEllv4x+FeptwXZxlk7gUsdqI8AxnFB8K9wi6FVQARAQABtBtEYWxlIDxyZGFs ZWsxOTY3QGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JAk4EEwEIADgCGyMFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AW IQQSG1h01ruv/WNXc3Q3RqOgiQH1GwUCYVJy8gAKCRA3RqOgiQH1G+waEACeTZCt77jnRAmQ AV7otKuZekDWiLi3Eig8tj5ZJiCNSYA/hIxzmexRP0GMqjitcXK1iGwWcvMzzvIq30GAjIfB 4BR38cnXbtBa6fNewiT7QaZe/Hn6yBRldXNQypzbHy+/o27bUEy+oX4rE7etUgEHQAjuw7xz XFWg4tH1/KJvsOVY5upnWc5LdxYhsuQ3dQD4b22GsK0pOBDfb9PiirYM8eGKvrVuq4E/c75z lDDFhINl18lNZ9D0ZFL3IkTjHsAAqFH9uhnnEB8CWdHbBewPEfRaOhBUYWZ3Q8uTkmDgZT8q D9jlvLEdw7Nh2ApdxoepnI/4D+ql2Gr4DtH7SEPydr5gcf1Qr/2bXRb1hAYnIVcbncs/Bm3Z bkRKPVWMfE3Fusa+p5hMzixk0YysMaTHlc7mYRYAEZGnPMXnmcCbetwARU7A0yz1M1kCMOAQ Lsz8KH5kv3cRenMB6SFfjND2JfAK61H5TtnPq3L8noS2ZykRYxq9Nm3X64O1tJojIKBoZFr8 AwYNCvqC6puUyGMuzHPh7jPof8glfrrEKIYUvNPGMDoVX3IGetxh/9l6NcxgFA4JGoR+LS3C zmeNrwlllAe3OEUfKoWVQ+pagpSdM+8hHolaSda4Ys66Z3fCR4ZvcTqfhTAVskpqdXa4isAk 7vTcXu3L499ttywEp7rJTbkCDQRhUnImARAAncUdVhmtRr59zqpTUppKroQYlzR0jv8oa7DG K4gakTAT2N7evnI9wpssmzyVk8VEiLzhnFQ/Ol3FRt6hZCXDJt0clyHOyTfvz/MNFttWuZTc mLpSvmRR6VRjAH+Tz3Eam2xUw3PGuH97BcXQ3NnX3msv1UDxtxxBu6e2YrdeOhrCUSgzokcJ 98ChUNy934cgepPybAI12lSWqVFQ1aG7jExZfiUk+333fPSDbpKoZbTW5YJLXbycmW/C1IWL qYQyNjRWKaGoJtUWFhhmNiOQct7n90aKivNVPavmN+UQ9LlMaINtf9T6XCzLfogCFsulDCDJ 0yNQLDTurHaB4E71xoctgXmLLq9z1RQ0W2XiVAAOZQj6K3+d0AOUjDhCQ2QW8dUSq0ckkZXV DKVJOGS8Nhf2eIWIqRnP3AcUiiaiFGqUaVUmUAZ6h/oJmgghEu/1S+pcuUKU5i69+XCZ3hH2 Jzwzbf7K+FAIkOhCfHncF8i1N1pk00pOVykNnqHTfFo3qFusHt0ZWgXVnnn4pYdXqZNoDhvF BRE5Vm4k/k96Pw8HRx6Os6eFSRrlqGzRgqsu86FekxusXB9UGv4lJhtU/J+8MRWsh22K718s DbQnABicGKFz1qQlWvcf59oTByhLINJCBt1WXl+TzJDXepr3QSkqmK41dO9Hob97C9dMiK8A EQEAAYkCNgQYAQgAIAIbDBYhBBIbWHTWu6/9Y1dzdDdGo6CJAfUbBQJhUnLyAAoJEDdGo6CJ AfUbVHIQAKSWw620vPhR3A/njU2z77F3z/Jk+HTKdE3fIyWSWdkYN7CBFL0NguOMP30WZ+qE sJhZu7T5hf251MwQUUt27xlfnKYOmQs7CqONlXuXlGZI6WufrUjxNcVz+5gJsqvUWuuJWsgg sDmE92IBnfG/f81fPHWQyfr/SF4wYDMyoFp5xCCQpp1zB63iuFvvrhxBkEHzmbRtVDOhl0Xp BVEDR1w3QRACw9QJD/KM05Czv9JNQYlwinWO/OaQ9cMlUpKLgswUPg9IZ5vucxScfuAUA5uC B1jlAQ8ZPlVukBmbEv5RGOv+lpuEbA3YDMVtEeH4YMFbjt/+vH3Cr2vTbp5JlpByLburJEH0 WXZLUawEfUsZvVwpOuJK75vaa2HYXee+Cb3iCIzwfIfctdlqzUcbGRczlRNM59hpvj4z29Gh 3kAxVHItAYq54ikxQ9l4hQ8s9sLYPbX/WtcBxNX8crBSw0FLnmzGleVEtBHyqtt5CLzQNgrj GYWl1vKDUmRPw1CdZ1c+fMN9CY11jOM5B5ZnqZWfDeVYO2iJ5SuvTycChexCb8WYn1bdCBIo bBtga2RBXbVt4Mh9E4owsszefn51MwfjXxB20Fc5k3GU1AVpTCMs3ayYCzo0b2pvEvdjtDcA CYLEFPWgaFX9iQAM/CDfKvTtvgGWpqtCL2raq/mQoJEU Message-ID: <471aaa99-dcd1-e9e6-dcc8-725664363b62@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2024 05:59:34 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.19 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2965683.e9J7NaK4W3@rogueboard> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A959CAE48A375C17964B0EB9" X-Archives-Salt: 961181e1-5caf-4a47-bbb3-48ce074674de X-Archives-Hash: f0c208dcebcc52cfb13c3cba90505f6e This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A959CAE48A375C17964B0EB9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Michael wrote: > On Friday 15 November 2024 05:53:53 GMT Dale wrote: > >> The thing about my data, it's mostly large video files. If I were >> storing documents or something, then SSD or something would be a good >> option. Plus, I mostly write once, then it either sits there a while or >> gets read on occasion. > For a write once - read often use case, the SMR drives are a good solution. > They were designed for this purpose. Because of their shingled layers they > provide higher storage density than comparable CMR drives. > > True but I don't like when I'm told a write is done, it kinda isn't.  I recall a while back I reorganized some stuff, mostly renamed directories but also moved some files.  Some were Youtube videos.  It took about 30 minutes to update the data on the SMR backup drive.  The part I see anyway.  It sat there for a hour at least doing that bumpy thing before it finally finished.  I realize if I just turn the drive off, the data is still there.  Still, I don't like it appearing to be done when it really is still working on it.  Another thing, I may switch to RAID one of these days.  If I do, that drive isn't a good option.  When I update my backups, I start the one I do with my NAS setup first.  Then I start the home directory backup with the SMR drive.  I then backup everything else I backup on other drives.  I do that so that I can leave the SMR drive at least powered on while it does it's bumpy thing and I do other backups.  Quite often, the SMR drive is the last one I put back in the safe.  That bumpy thing can take quite a while at times.  This is the drive model I'm looking at.  ST18000NM000J  I don't think it has its own encryption or anything and is a drive that will work in my situation.  I don't know what the last bits mean tho but saw somewhere that 000 means no encryption.  Not sure on the J part on the end.  I did find where I bought other sizes of drives with the same bit on the end.  They seem to work fine, so far anyway.  I order my drives from here:  https://serverpartdeals.com/ I've bought what falls into the used category and them have only a few power up hours on them.  A lot of the time, it is less than 10 hours.  I have seen 3 or 4 hours or less with SMART a few times. Now to get my money saved up.  Won't be long.  Another $200 but lots of data.  Dale :-)  :-)  --------------A959CAE48A375C17964B0EB9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Michael wrote:
On Friday 15 November 2024 05:53:53 GMT Dale wrote:


The thing about my data, it's mostly large video files.  If I were
storing documents or something, then SSD or something would be a good
option.  Plus, I mostly write once, then it either sits there a while or
gets read on occasion.

For a write once - read often use case, the SMR drives are a good solution.  
They were designed for this purpose.  Because of their shingled layers they 
provide higher storage density than comparable CMR drives.

True but I don't like when I'm told a write is done, it kinda isn't.  I recall a while back I reorganized some stuff, mostly renamed directories but also moved some files.  Some were Youtube videos.  It took about 30 minutes to update the data on the SMR backup drive.  The part I see anyway.  It sat there for a hour at least doing that bumpy thing before it finally finished.  I realize if I just turn the drive off, the data is still there.  Still, I don't like it appearing to be done when it really is still working on it.  Another thing, I may switch to RAID one of these days.  If I do, that drive isn't a good option. 

When I update my backups, I start the one I do with my NAS setup first.  Then I start the home directory backup with the SMR drive.  I then backup everything else I backup on other drives.  I do that so that I can leave the SMR drive at least powered on while it does it's bumpy thing and I do other backups.  Quite often, the SMR drive is the last one I put back in the safe.  That bumpy thing can take quite a while at times. 

This is the drive model I'm looking at.  ST18000NM000J  I don't think it has its own encryption or anything and is a drive that will work in my situation.  I don't know what the last bits mean tho but saw somewhere that 000 means no encryption.  Not sure on the J part on the end.  I did find where I bought other sizes of drives with the same bit on the end.  They seem to work fine, so far anyway.  I order my drives from here: 

https://serverpartdeals.com/

I've bought what falls into the used category and them have only a few power up hours on them.  A lot of the time, it is less than 10 hours.  I have seen 3 or 4 hours or less with SMART a few times.

Now to get my money saved up.  Won't be long.  Another $200 but lots of data. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 
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