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Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1840942.TLkxdtWsSY@rogueboard> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B81AC32420E4F7043BDF744D" X-Archives-Salt: eeda02a5-a3a5-482d-bf66-5d2ee7a67483 X-Archives-Hash: 76cd11b05e8ecd4e8e25a0448932e4b4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B81AC32420E4F7043BDF744D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Michael wrote: > On Thursday 5 September 2024 15:34:06 BST Dale wrote: >> Michael wrote: >>> Since I upgraded to KDE Frameworks 6 I have observed some rather unwanted >>> window behaviours. >>> >>> 1. Window Interaction with Gkrellm >>> >>> DESIRED BEHAVIOUR: >>> ================== >>> I have Gkrellm started up by Plasma at login and placed at the top left of >>> the screen. I can't remember where/how I set this up, but at least it is >>> still respected by KDE 6. I've always set Gkrellm via its Configuration >>>> General > Properties with: >>> + Set sticky state >>> >>> + Set window type to be a dock or panel >>> >>> This allowed the following interaction with other application windows: >>> >>> - Other windows would launch without overlapping the Gkrellm window. On >>> an >>> otherwise empty desktop they would be placed on the right of it. >>> - When a window was maximised it did not extend sideways to cover the >>> whole >>> screen beyond the position of the the Grkellm. >>> - When I dragged a window to force it to infringe the boundary of the >>> Gkrellm window, the Gkrellm would overlap the dragged window. >> I'm having issues with gkrellm as well. I tend to put gkrellm on >> desktop 10 on the left side. I'd like it to be on screen 1 as well. >> When I first login, gkrellm is on desktop 1 and on screen 2. I have to >> move it every time. > Gkrellm should show up on all desktops, if you select 'Set sticky state'. > However, I understand the position on the desktop is a Plasma setting, not an > application setting. > I only want it on desktop 10.  Some do want it on all desktops but I just want it on that one.  And on screen 1 would be nice.  When I'm not in my chair, I tend to park on desktop 10.  I can see gkrellm and with that, know pretty well what is going on.  I can even tell if a update is done or copying files within Konsole has completed.  >> Usually I right click on the top bar of a window, >> select More Actions and either Window Settings or Application Settings, >> depending on which I want. I can then add Properties and set it like I >> want. It is best to have it like you want it before you start. It >> already has the settings that way. I do this for Seamonkey, both >> browser and email, QB and a few other apps. Thing is, gkrellm doesn't >> have a title bar to right click on. > If you right click on the Gkrellm on the Plasma toolbar you will be access the > same Plasma window decorations as other windows have. Or, easier, click > Alt+F3 to popup the Plasma window menu on any application. > > There is also a Grekllm setting under General > Properties > "Use window type > decorations", but you'll have to restart Gkrellm for any changes to show up if > you select this. > I didn't know about the Alt+F3 option.  I did that and my menu popped up.  I set it to be where I want it, screen 1 and desktop 10.  I'm sure it will stay where it is told now.  Those window rules tend to work well when it detects the window correctly.  >> It works fine on my old rig but not >> on the new rig. When I had to use the old rig to watch TV, I checked, I >> couldn't find anything that tells gkrellm to be where it is but it comes >> up where I want it each time, apparently without me doing anything at >> all. New rig, it goes to the wrong place every single time. It's wrong >> but it is consistent. > Quit Gkrellm, then relaunch it and place it where you want it on the screen. > Hopefully Plasma will store this and survive a logout. If not, open the > Window decoration Plasma menu of Gkrellm after you reveal it as mentioned > above and add the window 'Position' property. Apply, then click OK. > > NOTE: I found such window positioning behavior to be particularly bad on X11 > as opposed to Wayland, but I understand NVidia is not yet working as well on > Wayland so YMMV. > I'm wondering if I should buy video cards that are not Nvidia.  It used to be that Nvidia was the Linux video card.  They had excellent support and all.  It seems they have fallen some.  I think the window rule will fix this tho.  >> I have KDE set to remember what was open and where at logout. I don't >> know if KDE just isn't remembering where to put gkrellm because it isn't >> really a window or what. I might add tho, even tho screen 1 is set as >> primary, it still acts like screen 2 is primary for some things. I >> wonder if that is why gkrellm parks itself on screen 2 instead. Some >> apps I use open to screen 2 until I set up a rule forcing it to open on >> screen 1. It should open there by default but it doesn't. I might add, >> when I plug in a USB stick, the notification thingy pops up on screen 2, >> not screen 1 where it should be. > Hmm ... from what I see here notifications always popup on the primary screen > - assuming you have no task bar on your secondary screen. > > Also, if you click to launch an application, but you move your mouse and click > quickly on the wallpaper on another screen, the application will launch on the > screen you placed and clicked your mouse on. > For some reason, the second monitor has a plasma thing, where app menu icon, virtual desktop, clock and such is, on the second monitor as well.  My TV screen has nothing.  No desktop icons, plasma thingy or anything.  It just has a default background image and that is it.  Why the second monitor got done that way, I dunno.  May I should remove the plasma thing completely.  >> I mention all this because it might give you a clue on where or how KDE >> is working now. Clearly gkrellm is unique because I can get everything >> else to work right, even if I have to force it with window/application >> rules. >> >> Oh, when looking at window rules in System Settings, it has a export and >> import feature. I never saw that before. Might be new. It's at the >> top I think. If you use that tool, may want to back up your settings >> when you get everything done. >> >> Hope that gives you some clue to a fix. Maybe. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) > SystemSettings > Window Management > Window Rules, shows any windows you have > set bespoke settings for. You can add and modify application window settings > there, or you can do the same Alt+F3, the select More Actions and use the > settings at the bottom of the menu. I've used that before to remove rules that are not working right and I want a fresh start.  I've never used it to set up a rule tho.  It's a lot easier to right click on title bar and then it detects a lot of the settings already.  Just add things you want to change.  On other email, I to would miss gkrellm hugely.  I hate to hear the developer died.  He created a truly awesome tool.  I barely scrape the surface of what gkrellm is capable of and it is still irreplaceable.  If it stops working, I'll be lost.  Other tools don't even come close.  It's about info, not being pretty and flashy.  Or if Google did it, taking over the OS.  ROFL  Dale :-)  :-)  P. S.  QB is still working.  Files are checking out OK so far.  It will fix any errors tho.  I need that tool to do my video collection.  o_O --------------B81AC32420E4F7043BDF744D Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Michael wrote:
On Thursday 5 September 2024 15:34:06 BST Dale wrote:

Michael wrote:

Since I upgraded to KDE Frameworks 6 I have observed some rather unwanted
window behaviours.

1. Window Interaction with Gkrellm

DESIRED BEHAVIOUR:
==================
I have Gkrellm started up by Plasma at login and placed at the top left of
the screen.  I can't remember where/how I set this up, but at least it is
still respected by KDE 6.  I've always set Gkrellm via its Configuration

General > Properties with:

+ Set sticky state

+ Set window type to be a dock or panel

This allowed the following interaction with other application windows:

- Other windows would launch without overlapping the Gkrellm window.  On
an
otherwise empty desktop they would be placed on the right of it.
- When a window was maximised it did not extend sideways to cover the
whole
screen beyond the position of the the Grkellm.
- When I dragged a window to force it to infringe the boundary of the
Gkrellm window, the Gkrellm would overlap the dragged window.

I'm having issues with gkrellm as well.  I tend to put gkrellm on
desktop 10 on the left side.  I'd like it to be on screen 1 as well. 
When I first login, gkrellm is on desktop 1 and on screen 2.  I have to
move it every time.

Gkrellm should show up on all desktops, if you select 'Set sticky state'.  
However, I understand the position on the desktop is a Plasma setting, not an 
application setting.

I only want it on desktop 10.  Some do want it on all desktops but I just want it on that one.  And on screen 1 would be nice.  When I'm not in my chair, I tend to park on desktop 10.  I can see gkrellm and with that, know pretty well what is going on.  I can even tell if a update is done or copying files within Konsole has completed.  


        

          
Usually I right click on the top bar of a window, 
select More Actions and either Window Settings or Application Settings,
depending on which I want.  I can then add Properties and set it like I
want.  It is best to have it like you want it before you start.  It
already has the settings that way.  I do this for Seamonkey, both
browser and email, QB and a few other apps.  Thing is, gkrellm doesn't
have a title bar to right click on.


        

        
If you right click on the Gkrellm on the Plasma toolbar you will be access the 
same Plasma window decorations as other windows have.  Or, easier, click 
Alt+F3 to popup the Plasma window menu on any application.

There is also a Grekllm setting under General > Properties > "Use window type 
decorations", but you'll have to restart Gkrellm for any changes to show up if 
you select this.



      

    

    

    I didn't know about the Alt+F3 option.  I did that and my menu
    popped up.  I set it to be where I want it, screen 1 and desktop
    10.  I'm sure it will stay where it is told now.  Those window rules
    tend to work well when it detects the window correctly.  

    

    

      

        

        

          
It works fine on my old rig but not
on the new rig.  When I had to use the old rig to watch TV, I checked, I
couldn't find anything that tells gkrellm to be where it is but it comes
up where I want it each time, apparently without me doing anything at
all.  New rig, it goes to the wrong place every single time.  It's wrong
but it is consistent. 


        

        
Quit Gkrellm, then relaunch it and place it where you want it on the screen.  
Hopefully Plasma will store this and survive a logout.  If not, open the 
Window decoration Plasma menu of Gkrellm after you reveal it as mentioned 
above and add the window 'Position' property.  Apply, then click OK.

NOTE:  I found such window positioning behavior to be particularly bad on X11 
as opposed to Wayland, but I understand NVidia is not yet working as well on 
Wayland so YMMV.



      

    

    

    I'm wondering if I should buy video cards that are not Nvidia.  It
    used to be that Nvidia was the Linux video card.  They had excellent
    support and all.  It seems they have fallen some.  

    

    I think the window rule will fix this tho.  

    

    

      

        

        

          
I have KDE set to remember what was open and where at logout.  I don't
know if KDE just isn't remembering where to put gkrellm because it isn't
really a window or what.  I might add tho, even tho screen 1 is set as
primary, it still acts like screen 2 is primary for some things.  I
wonder if that is why gkrellm parks itself on screen 2 instead.  Some
apps I use open to screen 2 until I set up a rule forcing it to open on
screen 1.  It should open there by default but it doesn't.  I might add,
when I plug in a USB stick, the notification thingy pops up on screen 2,
not screen 1 where it should be. 


        

        
Hmm ... from what I see here notifications always popup on the primary screen 
- assuming you have no task bar on your secondary screen.

Also, if you click to launch an application, but you move your mouse and click 
quickly on the wallpaper on another screen, the application will launch on the 
screen you placed and clicked your mouse on.



      

    

    

    For some reason, the second monitor has a plasma thing, where app
    menu icon, virtual desktop, clock and such is, on the second monitor
    as well.  My TV screen has nothing.  No desktop icons, plasma thingy
    or anything.  It just has a default background image and that is
    it.  Why the second monitor got done that way, I dunno.  May I
    should remove the plasma thing completely.  

    

    

      

        

        

          
I mention all this because it might give you a clue on where or how KDE
is working now.  Clearly gkrellm is unique because I can get everything
else to work right, even if I have to force it with window/application
rules. 

Oh, when looking at window rules in System Settings, it has a export and
import feature.  I never saw that before.  Might be new.  It's at the
top I think.  If you use that tool, may want to back up your settings
when you get everything done. 

Hope that gives you some clue to a fix.  Maybe. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 


        

        
SystemSettings > Window Management > Window Rules, shows any windows you have 
set bespoke settings for.  You can add and modify application window settings 
there, or you can do the same Alt+F3, the select More Actions and use the 
settings at the bottom of the menu.

      

    

    

    I've used that before to remove rules that are not working right and
    I want a fresh start.  I've never used it to set up a rule tho. 
    It's a lot easier to right click on title bar and then it detects a
    lot of the settings already.  Just add things you want to change.  

    

    On other email, I to would miss gkrellm hugely.  I hate to hear the
    developer died.  He created a truly awesome tool.  I barely scrape
    the surface of what gkrellm is capable of and it is still
    irreplaceable.  If it stops working, I'll be lost.  Other tools
    don't even come close.  It's about info, not being pretty and
    flashy.  Or if Google did it, taking over the OS.  ROFL  

    

    Dale 

    

    :-)  :-)  

    

    P. S.  QB is still working.  Files are checking out OK so far.  It
    will fix any errors tho.  I need that tool to do my video
    collection.  o_O 

  


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