From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7706C158083 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2024 22:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 435972BC0B7; Tue, 24 Sep 2024 22:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out.packetderm.com (out.packetderm.com [173.166.91.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDC852BC013 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2024 22:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (out.packetderm.com[173.166.91.13]) by smtp (5.7.4/5.7.4) with ESMTPSA id 48OM175V071715 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2024 18:01:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from waltdnes@waltdnes.org) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 18:00:59 -0400 From: Walter Dnes To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of! Message-ID: References: <65e5de50-e053-46ff-be61-52f472d95025@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <65e5de50-e053-46ff-be61-52f472d95025@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 4f2aa9fe-4c24-4d73-8d45-8c357d97fc9b X-Archives-Hash: 6c03545f914940dbdea57d655ac54675 On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 05:11:14PM -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote > Do you have that little faith in the Gentoo Developers, that you > think we'd make a USE flag change that made everyone's systems > suddenly break? > > :( I was around way back when "ipv6" became the default. I was using Firefox back then. Type in a URL; Firefox spins its wheels for 60 seconds in IPV6; it finally gives up and drops down to IPV4. This happened with every URL. After that I ran with USE="-* yada yada yada" for quite some time. Currently, I'm less extreme, merely disabling a bunch of USE flags... USE="X apng ffmpeg introspection jpeg opengl openmp png truetype x264 x265 xorg threads vala -acl -caps -clang -context -elogind -filecaps -graphite -gstreamer -haptic -iptables -ipv6 -libav -llvm -manpager -pam -sendmail -spirv -tofu -su -udisks -upower -wayland" The "szip" and "xinerama" USE flags seem to have disappeared. And who can forget the move from /dev/hda hdb hdc etc., to /dev/sda sdb sdc etc.? Machine literally unbootable on the newly compiled kernel. Fortunately, I always have "Production" and "Experimental" kernels. The newly compiled kernel is always "Experimental". If things go badly, I drop back to the "Production" kernel and try to figure out what went wrong. Only after a long while do I execute my "promote" script that copies "Experimental" over top of "Production". -- There are 2 types of people 1) Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data