Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc

[Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>]

Hello, Arsen.

On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 13:40:57 +0200, Arsen Arsenović wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:

[ .... ]

> >> So, @system requires you to have any one of:

> >> - openrc
> >> - openrc-navi (a testing fork with openrc user services)
> >> - s6
> >> - systemd
> >> - runit
> >> - daemontools

> >> It's possible you have installed another one of these packages too. If
> >> you do, then virtual/service-manager will still be satisfied, and it
> >> will allow you to depclean openrc.

> > Yes, I have daemontools, needed as a component of a qmail variant.

> In that case, it'd be wise to 'emerge -n openrc' to prevent such
> trouble.

Yes.

> I do wonder if we should keep s6, runit and daemontools in that virutal
> though, given that we can't boot them.  Perhaps they'd be fine behind a
> USE flag.  I'll propose that.

Thanks!

[ .... ]

> > The context of this discussion was an implication that the Gentoo
> > maintainers wouldn't make a change "that made everyone's systems
> > suddenly break".  I submitted a bug report about --depclean back in
> > the summer of 2021 (though I can't find that bug any more).  I think
> > it was closed as not-a-bug.

> Whoever closed it was wrong, frankly.

I've found the bug.  It was 803878.  The developer who responded treated
my bug as though it were a request for personal support, and he
completely evaded my point that it was a bug in portage which should be
fixed.  It was actually closed as TEST-REQUEST, whatever that means.  The
bug was never addressed.

> > There are several ways this could have been fixed, for example with
> > --depclean preserving packages in system, as well as world.

> That probably would not fix anything here, openrc is not in @system,
> virtual/service-manager is.

--depclean could preserve anything under a virtual in @system.

> > But it was regarded as not a bug.

> > So I think it is fair to say that the Gentoo developers are content for
> > some systems (in particular, mine) suddenly to break.

> Developers differ a good bit.. we generally try not to break things.

:-)

> > I am thus somewhat sceptical about things in Gentoo which may be based
> > on assumptions which don't hold in my system.  The new +wayland USE
> > flag kind of looked a bit like that to me.  Actually, it wasn't, so I
> > apologise for my opening post.
> -- 
> Arsen Arsenović

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).