From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 192F5158083 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2024 18:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C1D44E2B8E; Tue, 24 Sep 2024 18:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.muc.de (mail.muc.de [193.149.48.3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E799E2B89 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2024 18:15:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27497 invoked by uid 3782); 24 Sep 2024 20:15:39 +0200 Received: from muc.de (p4fe152a0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.225.82.160]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:15:38 +0200 Received: (qmail 23673 invoked by uid 1000); 24 Sep 2024 18:15:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 18:15:38 +0000 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc Message-ID: References: <65e5de50-e053-46ff-be61-52f472d95025@gentoo.org> <2c966cf9-9cc5-4f51-96a4-9c0e537d5f95@gentoo.org> <8634lp1dpy.fsf@gentoo.org> <3ae127a4-9aa0-4289-a6f8-e211277fa53c@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3ae127a4-9aa0-4289-a6f8-e211277fa53c@gentoo.org> X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) From: Alan Mackenzie X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-Archives-Salt: 6df1063d-85fb-4eac-8d59-ccfa95f9f46b X-Archives-Hash: 86a759c5d8cb15d644f0043c6938e8aa Hello, Eli. On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 11:24:14 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote: > On 9/24/24 8:34 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >>> The context of this discussion was an implication that the Gentoo > >>> maintainers wouldn't make a change "that made everyone's systems > >>> suddenly break". I submitted a bug report about --depclean back in > >>> the summer of 2021 (though I can't find that bug any more). I think > >>> it was closed as not-a-bug. > >> Whoever closed it was wrong, frankly. > > I've found the bug. It was 803878. The developer who responded treated > > my bug as though it were a request for personal support, and he > > completely evaded my point that it was a bug in portage which should be > > fixed. It was actually closed as TEST-REQUEST, whatever that means. The > > bug was never addressed. > The bug was confused about the issue at hand and lacking the full > explanation of why it's an issue it could be understood why it was > assumed to be a personal support request. Whenever I get a confused bug report, the first thing I do is work out what the problem really is, which often involves getting in touch with the OP. That didn't happen with 803878 - the response to my initial bug report occurred with 17 minutes of it being raised. > It is not a bug in portage, which is part of the confusion here. It is a > bug in virtual/service-manager. That is clear now, it wasn't clear in 2021-06 when the bug was raised. It is surely not the submitter's job to work out where in a system a bug is caused, rather it's the job of the specialist handling the bug. > I reopened the bug report, corrected the description, and assigned it. Thanks! That's appreciated. It's looking like it's now going to get fixed. :-) > https://bugs.gentoo.org/803878 > -- > Eli Schwartz -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).