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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <6a1bf73e-d7ab-e9ea-20ea-e174190b300c@gmail.com> <2bb23e23-516f-4199-8a90-05676341cf52@youngman.org.uk> <17e6b499-e2e5-13f0-6d04-8651653a6596@gmail.com> <7719600.EvYhyI6sBW@rogueboard> From: Dale Autocrypt: addr=rdalek1967@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBGFSciYBEADcEGMyJBSuavKO/XKUVvgkxck7Nl8Iuu8N2lcnRji/rSKg5c1Acix1ll9i oW8JBCHwvn0+Xy60BvEsqcup3YSHw5STl/bR1ePEehtnYrg8FdjdS91+B805RfnKMm69rFVI wLSBHQrSG1yxHd8CloWoEdhmVtP24buajbh114bgXd9ahtpZrCVMrWdWYUg2mEXguGV5uNAh Rf8SWxDNc79w24JxsV34a8niMUYMjzWr0rafIbzk732X38vGjVMLo/2mMpkbp9mPp++LHoY+ 0Pet8zxxdXPJSCd475kza1AD+hhSyBZXB9yknYWgyY3cZe1rGmooJSi2KX4QxO7npwLThcO1 be6KKRkd35+Fi/a1BzVOHsZMiK/gcwxEFoMd27gir4ehaeHJfFXl+65w4hj0EsOZSxrJrm2C R50g5By2czSKP1bADEygFNpIJj51AR+wM88NImG2RPtlT2maYBzazvF05g65cdHXGp1C7W5P wwwKU2DgABB2t7N7z5A69LnryBRw4zUYDRRYLTYlBlYgg+xILm2c0OrBdxJgLJa7JE50Eo25 d3PFwt9J0gYvqy6sPFLl9So0sDg9zm0hKQtXOP5kgropUFGrNoJI+mjwF4rYLRBVzZwNAvlO OhEvHubBo3mEllv4x+FeptwXZxlk7gUsdqI8AxnFB8K9wi6FVQARAQABtBtEYWxlIDxyZGFs ZWsxOTY3QGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JAk4EEwEIADgCGyMFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AW IQQSG1h01ruv/WNXc3Q3RqOgiQH1GwUCYVJy8gAKCRA3RqOgiQH1G+waEACeTZCt77jnRAmQ AV7otKuZekDWiLi3Eig8tj5ZJiCNSYA/hIxzmexRP0GMqjitcXK1iGwWcvMzzvIq30GAjIfB 4BR38cnXbtBa6fNewiT7QaZe/Hn6yBRldXNQypzbHy+/o27bUEy+oX4rE7etUgEHQAjuw7xz XFWg4tH1/KJvsOVY5upnWc5LdxYhsuQ3dQD4b22GsK0pOBDfb9PiirYM8eGKvrVuq4E/c75z lDDFhINl18lNZ9D0ZFL3IkTjHsAAqFH9uhnnEB8CWdHbBewPEfRaOhBUYWZ3Q8uTkmDgZT8q D9jlvLEdw7Nh2ApdxoepnI/4D+ql2Gr4DtH7SEPydr5gcf1Qr/2bXRb1hAYnIVcbncs/Bm3Z bkRKPVWMfE3Fusa+p5hMzixk0YysMaTHlc7mYRYAEZGnPMXnmcCbetwARU7A0yz1M1kCMOAQ Lsz8KH5kv3cRenMB6SFfjND2JfAK61H5TtnPq3L8noS2ZykRYxq9Nm3X64O1tJojIKBoZFr8 AwYNCvqC6puUyGMuzHPh7jPof8glfrrEKIYUvNPGMDoVX3IGetxh/9l6NcxgFA4JGoR+LS3C zmeNrwlllAe3OEUfKoWVQ+pagpSdM+8hHolaSda4Ys66Z3fCR4ZvcTqfhTAVskpqdXa4isAk 7vTcXu3L499ttywEp7rJTbkCDQRhUnImARAAncUdVhmtRr59zqpTUppKroQYlzR0jv8oa7DG K4gakTAT2N7evnI9wpssmzyVk8VEiLzhnFQ/Ol3FRt6hZCXDJt0clyHOyTfvz/MNFttWuZTc mLpSvmRR6VRjAH+Tz3Eam2xUw3PGuH97BcXQ3NnX3msv1UDxtxxBu6e2YrdeOhrCUSgzokcJ 98ChUNy934cgepPybAI12lSWqVFQ1aG7jExZfiUk+333fPSDbpKoZbTW5YJLXbycmW/C1IWL qYQyNjRWKaGoJtUWFhhmNiOQct7n90aKivNVPavmN+UQ9LlMaINtf9T6XCzLfogCFsulDCDJ 0yNQLDTurHaB4E71xoctgXmLLq9z1RQ0W2XiVAAOZQj6K3+d0AOUjDhCQ2QW8dUSq0ckkZXV DKVJOGS8Nhf2eIWIqRnP3AcUiiaiFGqUaVUmUAZ6h/oJmgghEu/1S+pcuUKU5i69+XCZ3hH2 Jzwzbf7K+FAIkOhCfHncF8i1N1pk00pOVykNnqHTfFo3qFusHt0ZWgXVnnn4pYdXqZNoDhvF BRE5Vm4k/k96Pw8HRx6Os6eFSRrlqGzRgqsu86FekxusXB9UGv4lJhtU/J+8MRWsh22K718s DbQnABicGKFz1qQlWvcf59oTByhLINJCBt1WXl+TzJDXepr3QSkqmK41dO9Hob97C9dMiK8A EQEAAYkCNgQYAQgAIAIbDBYhBBIbWHTWu6/9Y1dzdDdGo6CJAfUbBQJhUnLyAAoJEDdGo6CJ AfUbVHIQAKSWw620vPhR3A/njU2z77F3z/Jk+HTKdE3fIyWSWdkYN7CBFL0NguOMP30WZ+qE sJhZu7T5hf251MwQUUt27xlfnKYOmQs7CqONlXuXlGZI6WufrUjxNcVz+5gJsqvUWuuJWsgg sDmE92IBnfG/f81fPHWQyfr/SF4wYDMyoFp5xCCQpp1zB63iuFvvrhxBkEHzmbRtVDOhl0Xp BVEDR1w3QRACw9QJD/KM05Czv9JNQYlwinWO/OaQ9cMlUpKLgswUPg9IZ5vucxScfuAUA5uC B1jlAQ8ZPlVukBmbEv5RGOv+lpuEbA3YDMVtEeH4YMFbjt/+vH3Cr2vTbp5JlpByLburJEH0 WXZLUawEfUsZvVwpOuJK75vaa2HYXee+Cb3iCIzwfIfctdlqzUcbGRczlRNM59hpvj4z29Gh 3kAxVHItAYq54ikxQ9l4hQ8s9sLYPbX/WtcBxNX8crBSw0FLnmzGleVEtBHyqtt5CLzQNgrj GYWl1vKDUmRPw1CdZ1c+fMN9CY11jOM5B5ZnqZWfDeVYO2iJ5SuvTycChexCb8WYn1bdCBIo bBtga2RBXbVt4Mh9E4owsszefn51MwfjXxB20Fc5k3GU1AVpTCMs3ayYCzo0b2pvEvdjtDcA CYLEFPWgaFX9iQAM/CDfKvTtvgGWpqtCL2raq/mQoJEU Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 04:37:44 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.19 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7719600.EvYhyI6sBW@rogueboard> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3E60C9CCABE02E3DFB165CE9" X-Archives-Salt: 481ecbf3-f896-4d96-b916-4ee8493ba8f6 X-Archives-Hash: e99a9d157acfa30ca27e740e7885fd32 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3E60C9CCABE02E3DFB165CE9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Michael wrote: > On Thursday 3 October 2024 05:30:58 BST Dale wrote: >> Wol wrote: >>> On 02/10/2024 19:47, Dale wrote: >>>> Well, I'm not really wanting to do my own email server. In a way, >>>> I'd like to have it so that everything is fetched, stored on my >>>> system and then I can use any email software I want, Seamonkey, >>>> Thunderbird, Mutt, Kmail or whatever, without losing a single email. >>>> Thing is, even that sounds like more than I care to chew on. If >>>> someone would share configs, editing private info of course, and I >>>> could just drop those in and edit with my private info, I might >>>> consider it. Thing is, I'm nervous about doing even that. Be my >>>> luck, I'd screw up something and delete every email I've ever got. >>>> >>>> :/ It would be nice tho to have a program fetch my emails and then >>>> >>>> I can switch email software anytime without losing anything at all. >>> This is my setup. >>> >>> I think I've talked about this before, but just emerge and set up >>> dovecot. >>> >>> Make sure you set everything up in the local config file - look at the >>> global file that comes with dovecot, and at the end you'll see a >>> pointer to a non-existent local file. Set that up, and then make sure >>> your email client can see it. Move a couple of emails across and make >>> sure they're safe in dovecot. >>> >>> Then you just set up a rule on your internet provider's inbox, that >>> moves emails across to dovecot, and everything is local on your >>> system. Obviously, they'll stay on the internet provider's setup until >>> they expire, but they're on your system, they can be backed up, and >>> they'll not be on the internet to be mined or broken into or whatever >>> for long. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Wol >> I think we tried this and I couldn't get it to work and gave up on it. >> It's been a while back tho. From my understanding, it is supposed to be >> simple but simple doesn't always mean I can do it. LOL Email providers >> always changing things doesn't help either. >> >> Would this also work if I moved to Proton or something similar? >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) > Do you need to have a local email storage *in addition* to the desktop email > client downloading and storing your messages, if you are going to pay for a > service provider to do the same thing for you? If yes, then dovecot is a good > option - there's a page on the wiki with configuration details. Someone mentioned that I could use IMAP(???) or something so that it is only stored on my local email server.  Also, I figure I could set it to delete after a few days or a week from the email provider.  Then I only have the local copy with Dovecot or whatever.  This would seem to be the easiest way to use any mail program I want.  I really need to switch from Seamonkey.  Seamonkey is getting to where it isn't good for much else.  The email is about the only thing that works right.  If I set this up to be local, Proton or some other email provider, then it won't matter what email program I use and hopefully what provider I use either.  If I'm going to change, I may as well change in a way that gives me some options, especially with switching from Seamonkey.  So far, I don't like other email software.  They all lack something or other.  I'll look into the wiki page.  I can't recall what wouldn't work before.  I just know I started it but never finished it.  Dale :-)  :-)  P. S.  It's a little after 4AM here.  I couldn't sleep so I cooked a pork chop casserole a bit ago.  I wish email had smell ability.  I also need to get some energy to finish cutting up that nasty old sweet gum tree.  Health issues suck.  --------------3E60C9CCABE02E3DFB165CE9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Michael wrote:
On Thursday 3 October 2024 05:30:58 BST Dale wrote:

Wol wrote:

On 02/10/2024 19:47, Dale wrote:

Well, I'm not really wanting to do my own email server.  In a way,
I'd like to have it so that everything is fetched, stored on my
system and then I can use any email software I want, Seamonkey,
Thunderbird, Mutt, Kmail or whatever, without losing a single email. 
Thing is, even that sounds like more than I care to chew on.  If
someone would share configs, editing private info of course, and I
could just drop those in and edit with my private info, I might
consider it.  Thing is, I'm nervous about doing even that.  Be my
luck, I'd screw up something and delete every email I've ever got. 

:/   It would be nice tho to have a program fetch my emails and then

I can switch email software anytime without losing anything at all.

This is my setup.

I think I've talked about this before, but just emerge and set up
dovecot.

Make sure you set everything up in the local config file - look at the
global file that comes with dovecot, and at the end you'll see a
pointer to a non-existent local file. Set that up, and then make sure
your email client can see it. Move a couple of emails across and make
sure they're safe in dovecot.

Then you just set up a rule on your internet provider's inbox, that
moves emails across to dovecot, and everything is local on your
system. Obviously, they'll stay on the internet provider's setup until
they expire, but they're on your system, they can be backed up, and
they'll not be on the internet to be mined or broken into or whatever
for long.

Cheers,
Wol

I think we tried this and I couldn't get it to work and gave up on it. 
It's been a while back tho.  From my understanding, it is supposed to be
simple but simple doesn't always mean I can do it.  LOL  Email providers
always changing things doesn't help either. 

Would this also work if I moved to Proton or something similar? 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Do you need to have a local email storage *in addition* to the desktop email 
client downloading and storing your messages, if you are going to pay for a 
service provider to do the same thing for you?  If yes, then dovecot is a good 
option - there's a page on the wiki with configuration details.

Someone mentioned that I could use IMAP(???) or something so that it is only stored on my local email server.  Also, I figure I could set it to delete after a few days or a week from the email provider.  Then I only have the local copy with Dovecot or whatever.  This would seem to be the easiest way to use any mail program I want.  I really need to switch from Seamonkey.  Seamonkey is getting to where it isn't good for much else.  The email is about the only thing that works right.  If I set this up to be local, Proton or some other email provider, then it won't matter what email program I use and hopefully what provider I use either. 

If I'm going to change, I may as well change in a way that gives me some options, especially with switching from Seamonkey.  So far, I don't like other email software.  They all lack something or other. 

I'll look into the wiki page.  I can't recall what wouldn't work before.  I just know I started it but never finished it. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

P. S.  It's a little after 4AM here.  I couldn't sleep so I cooked a pork chop casserole a bit ago.  I wish email had smell ability.  I also need to get some energy to finish cutting up that nasty old sweet gum tree.  Health issues suck. 
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