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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <6a1bf73e-d7ab-e9ea-20ea-e174190b300c@gmail.com> <098149b9-717e-d72e-aa14-308cf161f3db@gmail.com> <3652355.R56niFO833@rogueboard> From: Dale Autocrypt: addr=rdalek1967@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBGFSciYBEADcEGMyJBSuavKO/XKUVvgkxck7Nl8Iuu8N2lcnRji/rSKg5c1Acix1ll9i oW8JBCHwvn0+Xy60BvEsqcup3YSHw5STl/bR1ePEehtnYrg8FdjdS91+B805RfnKMm69rFVI wLSBHQrSG1yxHd8CloWoEdhmVtP24buajbh114bgXd9ahtpZrCVMrWdWYUg2mEXguGV5uNAh Rf8SWxDNc79w24JxsV34a8niMUYMjzWr0rafIbzk732X38vGjVMLo/2mMpkbp9mPp++LHoY+ 0Pet8zxxdXPJSCd475kza1AD+hhSyBZXB9yknYWgyY3cZe1rGmooJSi2KX4QxO7npwLThcO1 be6KKRkd35+Fi/a1BzVOHsZMiK/gcwxEFoMd27gir4ehaeHJfFXl+65w4hj0EsOZSxrJrm2C R50g5By2czSKP1bADEygFNpIJj51AR+wM88NImG2RPtlT2maYBzazvF05g65cdHXGp1C7W5P wwwKU2DgABB2t7N7z5A69LnryBRw4zUYDRRYLTYlBlYgg+xILm2c0OrBdxJgLJa7JE50Eo25 d3PFwt9J0gYvqy6sPFLl9So0sDg9zm0hKQtXOP5kgropUFGrNoJI+mjwF4rYLRBVzZwNAvlO OhEvHubBo3mEllv4x+FeptwXZxlk7gUsdqI8AxnFB8K9wi6FVQARAQABtBtEYWxlIDxyZGFs ZWsxOTY3QGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JAk4EEwEIADgCGyMFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AW IQQSG1h01ruv/WNXc3Q3RqOgiQH1GwUCYVJy8gAKCRA3RqOgiQH1G+waEACeTZCt77jnRAmQ AV7otKuZekDWiLi3Eig8tj5ZJiCNSYA/hIxzmexRP0GMqjitcXK1iGwWcvMzzvIq30GAjIfB 4BR38cnXbtBa6fNewiT7QaZe/Hn6yBRldXNQypzbHy+/o27bUEy+oX4rE7etUgEHQAjuw7xz XFWg4tH1/KJvsOVY5upnWc5LdxYhsuQ3dQD4b22GsK0pOBDfb9PiirYM8eGKvrVuq4E/c75z lDDFhINl18lNZ9D0ZFL3IkTjHsAAqFH9uhnnEB8CWdHbBewPEfRaOhBUYWZ3Q8uTkmDgZT8q D9jlvLEdw7Nh2ApdxoepnI/4D+ql2Gr4DtH7SEPydr5gcf1Qr/2bXRb1hAYnIVcbncs/Bm3Z bkRKPVWMfE3Fusa+p5hMzixk0YysMaTHlc7mYRYAEZGnPMXnmcCbetwARU7A0yz1M1kCMOAQ Lsz8KH5kv3cRenMB6SFfjND2JfAK61H5TtnPq3L8noS2ZykRYxq9Nm3X64O1tJojIKBoZFr8 AwYNCvqC6puUyGMuzHPh7jPof8glfrrEKIYUvNPGMDoVX3IGetxh/9l6NcxgFA4JGoR+LS3C zmeNrwlllAe3OEUfKoWVQ+pagpSdM+8hHolaSda4Ys66Z3fCR4ZvcTqfhTAVskpqdXa4isAk 7vTcXu3L499ttywEp7rJTbkCDQRhUnImARAAncUdVhmtRr59zqpTUppKroQYlzR0jv8oa7DG K4gakTAT2N7evnI9wpssmzyVk8VEiLzhnFQ/Ol3FRt6hZCXDJt0clyHOyTfvz/MNFttWuZTc mLpSvmRR6VRjAH+Tz3Eam2xUw3PGuH97BcXQ3NnX3msv1UDxtxxBu6e2YrdeOhrCUSgzokcJ 98ChUNy934cgepPybAI12lSWqVFQ1aG7jExZfiUk+333fPSDbpKoZbTW5YJLXbycmW/C1IWL qYQyNjRWKaGoJtUWFhhmNiOQct7n90aKivNVPavmN+UQ9LlMaINtf9T6XCzLfogCFsulDCDJ 0yNQLDTurHaB4E71xoctgXmLLq9z1RQ0W2XiVAAOZQj6K3+d0AOUjDhCQ2QW8dUSq0ckkZXV DKVJOGS8Nhf2eIWIqRnP3AcUiiaiFGqUaVUmUAZ6h/oJmgghEu/1S+pcuUKU5i69+XCZ3hH2 Jzwzbf7K+FAIkOhCfHncF8i1N1pk00pOVykNnqHTfFo3qFusHt0ZWgXVnnn4pYdXqZNoDhvF BRE5Vm4k/k96Pw8HRx6Os6eFSRrlqGzRgqsu86FekxusXB9UGv4lJhtU/J+8MRWsh22K718s DbQnABicGKFz1qQlWvcf59oTByhLINJCBt1WXl+TzJDXepr3QSkqmK41dO9Hob97C9dMiK8A EQEAAYkCNgQYAQgAIAIbDBYhBBIbWHTWu6/9Y1dzdDdGo6CJAfUbBQJhUnLyAAoJEDdGo6CJ AfUbVHIQAKSWw620vPhR3A/njU2z77F3z/Jk+HTKdE3fIyWSWdkYN7CBFL0NguOMP30WZ+qE sJhZu7T5hf251MwQUUt27xlfnKYOmQs7CqONlXuXlGZI6WufrUjxNcVz+5gJsqvUWuuJWsgg sDmE92IBnfG/f81fPHWQyfr/SF4wYDMyoFp5xCCQpp1zB63iuFvvrhxBkEHzmbRtVDOhl0Xp BVEDR1w3QRACw9QJD/KM05Czv9JNQYlwinWO/OaQ9cMlUpKLgswUPg9IZ5vucxScfuAUA5uC B1jlAQ8ZPlVukBmbEv5RGOv+lpuEbA3YDMVtEeH4YMFbjt/+vH3Cr2vTbp5JlpByLburJEH0 WXZLUawEfUsZvVwpOuJK75vaa2HYXee+Cb3iCIzwfIfctdlqzUcbGRczlRNM59hpvj4z29Gh 3kAxVHItAYq54ikxQ9l4hQ8s9sLYPbX/WtcBxNX8crBSw0FLnmzGleVEtBHyqtt5CLzQNgrj GYWl1vKDUmRPw1CdZ1c+fMN9CY11jOM5B5ZnqZWfDeVYO2iJ5SuvTycChexCb8WYn1bdCBIo bBtga2RBXbVt4Mh9E4owsszefn51MwfjXxB20Fc5k3GU1AVpTCMs3ayYCzo0b2pvEvdjtDcA CYLEFPWgaFX9iQAM/CDfKvTtvgGWpqtCL2raq/mQoJEU Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2024 13:47:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.19 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3652355.R56niFO833@rogueboard> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------AC8D4D86323C609038481D4F" X-Archives-Salt: 1200eece-2345-4ae4-9799-f82bdb8f8801 X-Archives-Hash: b022b2037cf1dc6e7cfc48abc6d7eeea This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AC8D4D86323C609038481D4F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Michael wrote: > On Wednesday 2 October 2024 14:10:39 BST Dale wrote: > >> I just want to switch from Gmail. I don't really need encryption >> stuff. I wouldn't mind doing my own but I have no clue where to even >> start on that. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) > Some links for your consideration: > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Simple_mail_server_with_webmail > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Complete_Virtual_Mail_Server > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Category:Mail_Servers > > https://forwardemail.net/en/blog/open-source/gentoo-linux-email-server > > There's also mailinabox and similar on premises binary solutions: > > https://github.com/mail-in-a-box/mailinabox > > HOWEVER, setting up the mail server itself is the easy part. Getting it > working along with reverse DNS, Let's Encrypt TLS certificates, SPF/DKIM/ > DMARC/DNSSEC-DANE without your domain being blacklisted at the drop of a hat, > while you're fighting permanently against spam and intruders can soon become a > full time occupation. All this assumes your domestic ISP allows their > domestic customers to run mail servers - many don't/won't. > > I don't mean to discourage you, it is an interesting project to get into and > you'll have the benefit of controlling your own server, your own data, without > paying some Internet provider with either your data privacy, or your money. > With low power NUC devices or a Raspberry Pi, you could run your own server at > less cost than most hosting companies will charge you, even if you allow for > some hardware redundancy, backups and hot/cold standby. > > Alternatively, if you can find a locally owned and run ISP with motivated > staff, it may be a good half-way compromise between Big-Tech and on-premises > mail hosting. Note though, a lot of smaller shops are just a front-end > marketing effort, with outsourced back end operations run by the Big Tech. Well, I'm not really wanting to do my own email server.  In a way, I'd like to have it so that everything is fetched, stored on my system and then I can use any email software I want, Seamonkey, Thunderbird, Mutt, Kmail or whatever, without losing a single email.  Thing is, even that sounds like more than I care to chew on.  If someone would share configs, editing private info of course, and I could just drop those in and edit with my private info, I might consider it.  Thing is, I'm nervous about doing even that.  Be my luck, I'd screw up something and delete every email I've ever got.  :/   It would be nice tho to have a program fetch my emails and then I can switch email software anytime without losing anything at all.  What I'm looking for is like a paid version of Gmail or Yahoo but is private.  They don't snoop, even for internal purposes like ads.  I'd also like it to be in a country that tells certain other snoopers to go pound sand.  From my understanding, some countries won't share info no matter what.  I think Proton is one of those.  Since everything is encrypted, even if they did share it, it's encrypted.  I think LastPass and Bitwarden are set up the same way.  They can't access a users passwords because it is encrypted before they get it.  Even if they get some legal order to share, it won't do them any good, unless someone set a stupid password that can be easily guessed.  It sounds like Proton is encrypted end to end.  I don't *really* need that much security, my biggest amount of emails is mostly this mailing list which is public anyway.  Still, it is based in a country that has serious privacy laws and they can't read it even if they wanted too.  It's also not very expensive.  It's a little bit of overkill for what I need but . . . .  I also noticed they have a VPN service.  I just renewed my Surfshark a couple weeks ago for another two years.  Once that is up tho, I could switch my VPN to them and have one place doing VPN and email.  Then you add in the software is in the Gentoo tree and ready to install, dang, this just sounds good.  I'm open to ideas.  There may be something better than Proton.  Still, it sounds good.  Price isn't bad either.  I think I could even back up my cell phone to it as well with a paid plan.  I might even be able to set it up without messing up something.  ROFL  Dale :-)  :-)  --------------AC8D4D86323C609038481D4F Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Michael wrote:
On Wednesday 2 October 2024 14:10:39 BST Dale wrote:


I just want to switch from Gmail.  I don't really need encryption
stuff.  I wouldn't mind doing my own but I have no clue where to even
start on that. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Some links for your consideration:

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Simple_mail_server_with_webmail

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Complete_Virtual_Mail_Server

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Category:Mail_Servers

https://forwardemail.net/en/blog/open-source/gentoo-linux-email-server

There's also mailinabox and similar on premises binary solutions:

https://github.com/mail-in-a-box/mailinabox

HOWEVER, setting up the mail server itself is the easy part.  Getting it 
working along with reverse DNS, Let's Encrypt TLS certificates, SPF/DKIM/
DMARC/DNSSEC-DANE without your domain being blacklisted at the drop of a hat, 
while you're fighting permanently against spam and intruders can soon become a 
full time occupation.  All this assumes your domestic ISP allows their 
domestic customers to run mail servers - many don't/won't.

I don't mean to discourage you, it is an interesting project to get into and 
you'll have the benefit of controlling your own server, your own data, without 
paying some Internet provider with either your data privacy, or your money.  
With low power NUC devices or a Raspberry Pi, you could run your own server at 
less cost than most hosting companies will charge you, even if you allow for 
some hardware redundancy, backups and hot/cold standby.

Alternatively, if you can find a locally owned and run ISP with motivated 
staff, it may be a good half-way compromise between Big-Tech and on-premises 
mail hosting.  Note though, a lot of smaller shops are just a front-end 
marketing effort, with outsourced back end operations run by the Big Tech.


Well, I'm not really wanting to do my own email server.  In a way, I'd like to have it so that everything is fetched, stored on my system and then I can use any email software I want, Seamonkey, Thunderbird, Mutt, Kmail or whatever, without losing a single email.  Thing is, even that sounds like more than I care to chew on.  If someone would share configs, editing private info of course, and I could just drop those in and edit with my private info, I might consider it.  Thing is, I'm nervous about doing even that.  Be my luck, I'd screw up something and delete every email I've ever got.  :/   It would be nice tho to have a program fetch my emails and then I can switch email software anytime without losing anything at all. 

What I'm looking for is like a paid version of Gmail or Yahoo but is private.  They don't snoop, even for internal purposes like ads.  I'd also like it to be in a country that tells certain other snoopers to go pound sand.  From my understanding, some countries won't share info no matter what.  I think Proton is one of those.  Since everything is encrypted, even if they did share it, it's encrypted.  I think LastPass and Bitwarden are set up the same way.  They can't access a users passwords because it is encrypted before they get it.  Even if they get some legal order to share, it won't do them any good, unless someone set a stupid password that can be easily guessed. 

It sounds like Proton is encrypted end to end.  I don't *really* need that much security, my biggest amount of emails is mostly this mailing list which is public anyway.  Still, it is based in a country that has serious privacy laws and they can't read it even if they wanted too.  It's also not very expensive.  It's a little bit of overkill for what I need but . . . .  I also noticed they have a VPN service.  I just renewed my Surfshark a couple weeks ago for another two years.  Once that is up tho, I could switch my VPN to them and have one place doing VPN and email.  Then you add in the software is in the Gentoo tree and ready to install, dang, this just sounds good. 

I'm open to ideas.  There may be something better than Proton.  Still, it sounds good.  Price isn't bad either.  I think I could even back up my cell phone to it as well with a paid plan.  I might even be able to set it up without messing up something.  ROFL 

Dale

:-)  :-) 
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