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From: James <wireless@×××××××××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: CD ROM does not play audio CD's
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:49:55
Message-Id: loom.20080629T140742-592@post.gmane.org
Joerg Schilling <Joerg.Schilling <at> fokus.fraunhofer.de> writes:


> Bloch did run these attacks in private mail.
Irrelevant for 99.999% of gentoo users...
> > I don't care about "credibility". I care about individual
statements.
> > As far as I have understood, the problem is not CDDL not being
free, but
> > being incompatible with the GPL in the particular build
system you
> > choose for cdrtools. So, I see no contradiction here. Maybe
I'm wrong,
> > but again, we want *proof*.
No, most users simply do not care. I have written several times that the entire "license" issue is *horse shit*, imho. Let the individual decide what they want to use. Give use choices. I, for one, believe that the GPL is a giant conspiracy to keep the poor and the lowest among us as serfs, unable to use open or free software to make money. ALL of the licenses stink. BSD is the best, but it has it's issues to. To me, if you publish sourcecode, it's an open license to do what the hell I want with it. *period*. I can say with with a clear conscious. We here where I exist, do firmware, and NEVER use others' code. Most code, for embedded systems is bloated and does not run as it should. In embedded, less is always superior. So we do not make a single dime out of any published code. Most of it sucks, compared to optimized, singularly focused assembler/C. Our code is portable on a wide range of of processors, because we read the data sheets of the processors and optimized code, based on the strength of the given target. This is the basis for the previous paragraph. The basis of publishing code, that is portable, is for those less fortunate to be functional within a networked community. Folks with money can purchase the best. Folks with technical expertise can write software. Commoners often do not understand the choices and are slave to advertisements. So from where I sit all of this "hot air" surrounding open sources is about jocking for control of the masses. If you want to truly benefit the "common man" (the average computer illiterate) then just publish the sources and let folks assimilate the code as they see fit. *period*. Better yet, build a distro and tools that help the commoners assimilate these softwares as the individual sees fit. If you are contributing to opensource and receive a paycheck, then do as you are told. But, *PLEASE* stop sling crap about the purity of the GPL. Let your Harvard-MBA-idiot manager do that, as that what he/she receives a paycheck for. Jesus Christ, did not ordain GPL, so everyone should stop acting like the GPL is some sort of "devine gift" (far from it as far as I'm concerned). But GPL is OK. GPL is like a 5 year business plan. I'm not so certain that CDDL is any better; but, *nobody cares*. But since they publish sources, then use it or not; let the individual decide. What I do not need or want is some *sanctimonious prick* making this decision for me.
> If you claim that what I do with mkisofs is not legal, you
would need to
> prove this. As it seems that you cannot prove this claim,
please stop spreading
> it.
Maybe, you need to calm down and explain things for us commoners? Clear and simple, leaving out the conspiracies and emotionalism? Just clearly and simply post your offering and your work around. After all, gentoo supports another system for package management paludis, that is from another radical (whom I admire very much). Portage/Paludis is at the very heart of Gentoo, yet the community is strong enough to endure the choice and prosper. Surely you can make simple technical (non emotional) arguments, build a package and let us test it? I'd be curious if the gentoo leadership does not allow you to put something into Sunrise.... Maybe state your technical && focused solution in a "howto" or a wiki so we can install and test your offering. Put a link to all of the emotional stuffage (mostly for your own benefit) and let the wider gentoo community test your offering? After all, if you win over the greater gentoo community, who cares about Suse, Redhat, Sun or Redmond? They are irrelevant, from where I sit.
> Jörg
Your musings are your own burden. If you have a valid point, make it, in a simple and clear form and package up your wares so the "commoners" can use them on Gentoo. As far as I'm aware, gentoo has project Sunrise and others where users, commoners and the rest can put up packages that are not sanctified by the *sanctimonious pricks* of the world. Is your offering there? In gentoo, you'll find many radicals that do not fit into any other matrix, GPL included. also, may the peace of Jesus Christ find you. James -- gentoo-user@l.g.o mailing list