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From: Chuck Robey <chuckr@×××××××.org>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [extremly, wildly, obscenely OT] Is there a Linux system without GNU userlands?
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:09:36
In Reply to: [gentoo-user] [extremly, wildly, obscenely OT] Is there a Linux system without GNU userlands? by "b.n."
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4 b.n. wrote:
5 > Hi,
6 >
7 > I ask it here because I really don't know where to ask it.
8 >
9 > Is there a Linux system somewhere with a *non-GNU* userland?
10 >
11 > I wonder in particular if:
12 > - there are Linux systems using the BSD userlands
13 > - there are Linux systems using completely non-standard userlands...
14 > let's say, non-Unix tools on top of a Linux kernel.
15 >
16 > Only thing I can think about is (maybe) embedded systems or things using
17 > busybox, but in the latter case just imitating gnu or bsd userlands.
18 >
19 > Not that I have a real purpose for such a bizarre beast, I'm just curious.
20 >
21 > m.
22 >
24 You might possibly be missing one of the most basic (in organization)
25 differences between any BSD and any Linux is that BSD's are all built and
26 packaged with a set of userland programs. This doesn't include many user
27 applications, just the kind of things that you think of as being part of any
28 base (like shells, or utilities like the various filesystem tools, grep, find,
29 like that) Linux, OTOH, is only a kernel. Any time you go after a distribution
30 that has more than the kernel (and ONLY the kernel) its because the group
31 putting together that distribution has decided to attach those parts, but the
32 Linux developers are concerned with the kernel alone.
34 So, when you talk about, say, FreeBSD, you're talking about kernel + userland
35 base. This isn't truie with Linux, so all linuxes are just a little bit
36 different in their choice of userland tools.
38 Some Linux distros cater more to developers, some to businesspeople, some to
39 newbies, some to professionals. FreeBSD is FreeBSD. There are good reasons why
40 both are as they are, neither is (without your own opinion making it so)
41 "better". It is usually true that Linuxes all have better coverage of device
42 drivers. It is also usually true BSD's are usually more evenly planned. But,
43 there are differences. What you ought to do is to read as many different OSes
44 as yo have time for, because it sure makes a great hobby.
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