Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

On 11/21/14 17:10, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:40 PM,  <wireless@×××××××××××.com> wrote:
>> Interesting perspective that I had not considered... still, I think there is
>> more at play here. It sounds as if a few "chosen" old guard
>> are going to kick out more of the progressive and newer devs
>> so that  these few. control the core distro. That way they can agree
>> and do what they want.
>
> Where are you getting this stuff?  People seem to talk about "old
> guard" Gentoo devs blocking contributions, but the very few times
> anything remotely resembling this gets pointed out the Council has
> stepped in to remove obstructions.
>
> There are of course a few long-running personality conflicts that
> flare up from time to time, and attempts at obstructionism, but they
> tend to get shot down which is as it should be.
>
> If somebody feels otherwise then they really need to step up and call
> attention to it.  Simply complaining about being oppressed is really
> just being part of the problem.
>
> --
> Rich
>


I have repetitively ask why java is treated like a second class citizen 
here at gentoo. Is anyone close any of those old deprecated java bugs?

I just wonder why the rank and file devs do not like java?
Why the devs do not celebrate Java?

Here's an old rah rah from a council member that is perfect:

http://dberkholz.com/2013/03/14/opportunities-for-gentoo/


But since clustering is now java centric, it seems to be unimportant?
Cluster codes are put in the "science" project now? Apathy runs deep
with anything that touches java, here at Gentoo.

Sure there is sys-cluster, but it is dying on gentoo; very little activity.

For me, and many others, clustering is the future not only
of linux, but computing, personal devices and everything.
Clouds are merely a contract cluster. A clustering is far more important 
that the linux kernel, imho. In a few years everyone will
run on a cluster (systems they control) or on the cloud (a cluster
brought to you by a global conglomerate), and the linux kernel will
be but one mechanism to plug into your cluster. Winblos will have
their path, as will apple, android, samsung, qualcomm, ibm, verizon, 
AT&T etc etc. Booting will be multi-variant. Once you ethernet is live,
you plug into your cluster and the cluster masters your hardware. That 
is how cell phones work today. What you run on your "screen" will be
what you want, or what vendors insist you run. Most will be 
OS/bios/kernel agnostic.


But hey, we don't do java here at Gentoo. Let's move it to an overlay
and be done with it?   That and let's move science to an overlay,
is what I see in this proposal. It's what the end result of gentoo
policy is and for me, science and java are the future for Gentoo, if it 
is to be robustly embraced. I could think of some things to move to 
overlays that would surely upset others that seem them as "core".
Systemd will no doubt be (eventually) very successful at collapsing
many if not most linux distros, imho.


I just like to wrap all of this in a conspiracy flavouring; hopefully 
some devs will jump into java, fix it up and let's give it a proper 
place in the gentoo structure? What if somebody wants to develop a PM or 
PMS using java on gentoo. You think that person would receive a 'warm 
welcome' as in lots of help, code snippets and partners among the gentoo 
elites?

How does your council feel about that? How many council member have 
added java packages or closed java bugs? Sure they have work on other 
things they do not like, but hell no to java?  How about a 'java week" 
where the brightest java devs devote just one week to java? (gnashing of 
teeth?).

I visible proposed just flushing several hundred of the old java bugs,
because their issues, or the related codes are deprecated. I got nothing
back from anyone but silence. The java leadership even admitted that
there is nobody, that currently 'gives a shit' enough to close java 
bugs. How about authorizing a few dozen folks to close java bugs. Why
do you have to be a dev to close bugs in BGO? Surely since java is not 
in the main stream I can close a few java bugs?  Please give me one week 
to close java bugs, and clean up java in BGO. It'll be less than one 
hundred left, I promise you. Piss on that arcane crap criteria impose on 
this effort, by folks that care nothing about java. Just give me the 
torch, and I'll clear a path forward for java; but I am going to ignore 
most of the "crap burden" you have to wade through on BGO to close only 
java bugs.If you do not like what I close, keep a copy and bring them 
back? Surely one or 2 other folks care about those 5+ year old java 
bugs? After all, if they are valid, they get posted again, with 
information from as least the current decade. What do I have to do, beg?

It sure looks like  a duck, quacks like a duck, smells like a duck
and I believe I hear quacking from this latest wacky (dev) idea to move 
most devs and most packages to second class status; as pure  quackery. 
Medically, from a medical dictionary that is about 50 years old, the
most correct diagnostic is "imbecilic".

I think that java and clustering on gentoo are dying, because the 
leadership environment makes it difficult for them to proper. How many 
java bugs have you close, during 2014?




curiously,
James