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On 06/09/2013 18:21, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: |
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> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com> wrote: |
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>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jarry <mr.jarry@×××××.com> wrote: |
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>>> On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote: |
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>>>> On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote: |
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>>>>>> It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pulled |
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>>>>>> it in. |
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>>>>> |
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>>>>> No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not |
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>>>>> remove now any "thing" that pulled it in. All I did was |
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>>>>> "emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world". |
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>>>>> As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were |
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>>>>> reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and |
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>>>>> linux-header updated. Nothing else. |
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>>>>> After that I did "emerge --depclean" and the above mentioned |
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>>>>> packages were suddenly removed... |
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>>>>> |
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>>>> |
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>>>> It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include |
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>>>> virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for yourself: |
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>>>> http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log |
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>>> Then something got broken because I have packages installed |
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>>> that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are |
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>>> configured to send emails). And these packages do not have |
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>>> "mail" use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect |
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>>> standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system... |
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>>> So now I have "stable" system, updated to the latest level, |
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>>> where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never* |
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>>> happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear |
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>>> this change was premature... |
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>> I think is a bug in the packages. In my system the only package that |
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>> pulls vitual/mta (and therefore ssmtp) is vixie-cron. |
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> The change happened in the cron eclass: |
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> http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/eclass/cron.eclass?r1=1.15&r2=1.16 |
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> From the commit log: "Per extensive discussion with zmedico about |
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> removing the need for package.provided, several packages have been |
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> changed, like sudo, to not explicitly require an mta. Cron will |
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> follow, leaving mta support optional." |
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> The rationale (I suppose) is that the programs in question still work, |
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> just the sending of emails fails. |
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> Good riddance, if you ask me. If you need/want an MTA, just install |
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> ssmtp by hand. |
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Agreed. It's a bit daft relying on a cron daemon to be the only package |
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pulling in a mailer. One can't even argue that it makes sense as a |
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default - cron merely has this feature to notify the root user if a cron |
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job wrote something to STDOUT. |
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That's a notification. It is not an absolute need to have sendmail. |
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If you want a syslogger, install a syslogger. |
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If you want a print server, install a print server. |
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Likewise, if you want a mailer, install one. |
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The days of classic Unix servers representing what a Gentoo system |
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should be are looooong gone. |
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Alan McKinnon |
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alan.mckinnon@×××××.com |
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