Re: [gentoo-user] Pick your hypothesis:

[Dale]

Michael Jones wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 2:04 PM Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com
> <mailto:rdalek1967@×××××.com>> wrote:
>
>     Neil Bothwick wrote:
>     > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:42:04 -0600, Dale wrote:
>     >
>     >> I'm trying to recall but am not sure, is this the same Alan
>     that used to
>     >> come on here and post this sort of thing when the problem was
>     in the
>     >> chair not Gentoo?  I recall the person I'm speaking of having a
>     script
>     >> that just created a mess and then he blamed it on Gentoo.  I
>     might still
>     >> have some of those emails but someone else may recall if this
>     is the
>     >> same person or not.
>     > It is.
>     >
>     >
>
>
>     Yep.  I went and found this little gem.  For those interested, this is
>     the script he used back then.  I'm not sure if he still does today or
>     not.  Some of you may find it funny.  Some may just cry, for various
>     reasons.  ;-) 
>
>


>
>     I have to say, the first sentence says a LOT.  Who here runs emerge
>     without checking to make sure it is going to do what you want it to
>     first?  Heck, I always run with -a and look at USE flags and such
>     before
>     even thinking about hitting y to continue.  Sometimes, it may take me
>     adjusting settings two or three times to get what I need.  It goes
>     downhill from there with his script.  Heck, if I were emerge, I'd
>     break
>     too.  lol 
>
>     Dale
>
>     :-)  :-) 
>
>
>
>
> A lot of people run emerge without checking the preliminary console
> output. 
>
> I don't think it's fair to imply that doing that is somehow wrong.
>
> The vast majority of Linux distributions support unattended upgrades
> without a second thought. 

I'm not sure that many actually do that with Gentoo and have no problems
with it.  Packages are constantly changing, USE flags are changing and a
whole host of other things are changing and in a source based distro,
you have to monitor those changes and adjust based on them.  Sure, a lot
of people sync and have the -p version of emerge emailed to them.  Thing
is, that isn't a update.  That is preparing for a update.  The update
happens when emerge starts compiling and installing packages.  It's on
the user to check that and correct things before updating.  If the user
doesn't, then that is not Gentoo's fault, that is the users fault.  That
is something several us tried to tell Alan. 

As Jack pointed out, most distros are binary based.  They are made to
upgrade even without the user doing anything.  Some do it automatically
as well.  Thing is, that doesn't work as well when there are choices to
be made.  Gentoo is about choices.  It's the user that has to make
those.  That's why emerge spits out what it is about to do for you to
look at.  If you don't look at it, you may not get what you want.  The
longer you ignore it, the more likely that is to create problems. 

Sure, if you want to blindly update Gentoo and never look at what is
going on, that's fine.  Just don't be surprised when you get a broken
system  I learned long ago, you either spend a few minutes on the front
end making sure the updates are headed where you want them or you spend
hours trying to figure out what went wrong.  Some learn that the hard way. 

I might add, several of us tried to work with Alan back then.  Based on
posts back then, quite a few blacklisted him because he wouldn't take
advice.  Some just ignored his posts.  Several of us pointed out that
his script, as a whole, is a disaster and nothing good is going to come
from it long term or even short term really.  If he wants to keep doing
things the way we know doesn't work, we can't help him. 

Just saying.

Dale

:-)  :-)