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From: Mark David Dumlao <madumlao@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 19:22:47
Message-Id: CAG2nJkP3WAuJN8eRrPaW5NchnhLmuNDsXNW-SxH+CQwgg7MwWg@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim by pk
1 On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:31 PM, pk <peterk2@××××××××.se> wrote:
2 > On 2013-09-30 00:04, Alan McKinnon wrote:
3 >
4 >> It's the general idea that you can leave /usr unmounted until some
5 >> random arb time later in the startup sequence and just expect things to
6 >> work out fine that is broken.
7 >>
8 >> It just happened to work OK for years because nothing happened to use
9 >> the code in /usr at that point in the sequence. More and more we are
10 >> seeing that this is no longer the case.
11 >
12 > So basically it wasn't broke before stuff started to use the code in
13 > /usr. How isn't that breaking?
14 >
15 >> So no-one broke it with a specific commit. It has always been broken by
16 >> design becuase it's a damn stupid idea that just happened to work by
17 >> fluke. IT and computing is rife with this kind of error.
18 >
19 > If what you are saying is true then *everything* is broken "by design"
20 > if something isn't available at boot time (may be /usr, may be /var or
21 > whatever).
22
23 Let me make an analogy between programs and recipes.
24
25 You see, a program is a lot like a recipe. It's a set of instructions
26 for a computer to follow. And if you have a recipe where if you follow
27 it, and anyone that eats the food says it tastes good, then you have a
28 good recipe.
29
30 Let me make an analogy between a restaurant franchise and a
31 distribution. You see, a franchise is a set of instructions for a
32 restaurateur to follow. A lot of those instructions are recipes. They
33 tell the restaurateur how to cook foods. But not all of those
34 instructions are. Some of them are instructions on the ideal
35 conditions to cook. Or some of them are instructions on how to get
36 materials, or how to talk to customers, or how to keep employees
37 happy. Now if you follow those instructions, and have the right
38 resources, you get to create a restaurant. In the same way, a
39 distribution can be thought of as a set of instructions. If you follow
40 those instructions, and have the right resources, you get to install a
41 lot of programs on a computer.
42
43 If everybody that follows the instructions on a recipe creates a food
44 that a lot of people think tastes great, then you have a great recipe.
45 And if everybody that follows the instuctions on a franchise creates a
46 restaurant that a lot of customers buy from and think the food is
47 great, then you have a great franchise.
48
49 Now let's say you have a franchise with very specific instructions to
50 buy ingredients from the nearest organic store. Now for many
51 restaurants that follow these instructions, they end up with great
52 food that makes an okay amount of money. But in some cities the
53 organic store doesn't have very good lettuce. Or the carrots are too
54 expensive. Or there isn't any organic store at all, so the restaurant
55 owner has to go to the next city and waste a lot of time and money to
56 get eggs. So those restaurants fail. But for many restaurants the
57 instructions work.
58
59 Now the restaurant owners get together and complain that their
60 restaurant isn't working. Why? they ask. It's because the head
61 franchise added pizza to the menu! The menu was working fine without
62 the pizza, but when they added pizza it became to expensive or
63 impractical to turn a profit. They might say that the franchise was
64 broken by the pizza. But many restaurant owners do fine by pizza. In
65 fact for many of them it's their hottest and most profitable product.
66
67 You see, the problem isn't the inclusion of a specific recipe. The
68 addition of pizza didn't break the restaurant. Nor did the addition of
69 burgers, or coke, or fries or whatever. The problem was with
70 instructions on how to manage the recipe ingredients. In short, while
71 they were practical for a lot of restaurant owners, they weren't
72 practical _in general_. The instructions could be better improved by
73 saying something like "buy ingredients from stores that give you this
74 much return," or "buy ingredients from our approved suppliers since
75 they give the best return on your money". If those instructions were
76 given instead of just vaguely saying to purchase from an organic
77 store, they'd have better control over the quality and profitability
78 of the restaurants.
79
80 And this is something like what is wrong with /usr. The individual
81 programs may be good. Many parts of the system taken together may be
82 good. But the instructions on how to manage programs going to /usr or
83 to / is too vague. There is no definitive quality control behind it.
84 Even if you follow the instructions, as best as you can, you will end
85 up making stupid decisions for the distribution.
86
87 Likewise with the franchise restaurants. The individual foods may be
88 good. Many of the instructions on managing people, foods, customers,
89 may be good. But the whole concept of "purchase from some a supplier
90 with undefined levels of cost and quality" is NOT a good instruction.
91 Maybe that works for a lot of restaurants, but as a general rule it
92 doesn't work for all of them. If you follow it to the letter, you will
93 end up making stupid decisions for the restaurant.
94
95 And here's your problem. The franchise instructions aren't supposed to
96 just "work for a lot of restaurants". They're supposed to work for all
97 of them. Likewise with the distribution. the distribution packages,
98 rules, settings, etc, aren't supposed to be tailored for your own
99 personal setup. They're supposed to work for anybody for whom the
100 distribution is a target.
101
102 You might want to say that maybe udev, or maybe this driver, or maybe
103 this service, or that hardware breaks FHS and therefore Gentoo. But
104 that's the wrong way of looking at it. when the important parts of
105 something being boot critical depends on the system.
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