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From: (Joerg Schilling)
Cc: gentoo-user@l.g.o, schilling@××××××××××××××××.de
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:01:48
1 "b.n." <brullonulla@×××××.com> wrote:
3 > > The reason why Debian started this is the missing will for quality oriented
4 > > cooperation by a single person: "Eduard Bloch".
5 > >
6 > > The reason why other Linux distributions followed Debian is that they believed
7 > > the lies spread by Eduard Bloch.
8 > >
9 > > I see a good cooperation with 99.99% of the Linux commuinity but there are some
10 > > Trolls who attack me. It seems that once you do a lot of work, some people
11 > > become jealous and start to attack you. Doing popular things seems to imply
12 > > that you become the target of attacks.
13 >
14 > I didn't follow the whole licence issue, nor I don't care that much
15 > about that (I was just explaining what I know from the Internet). The
16 > problem, as it seemed, is that you and Bloch staunchly refused to settle
17 > down the issue somehow. Please correct me if it's wrong.
19 Mr. Bloch started several attacks against the cdrtools project and he did this
20 in an extremely unfair way. He spread unproven and untrue claims about cdrtools.
22 > But I don't buy the "people that attack me is just jealous/trolling"
23 > argument, sorry. Assuming good faith is always better. To tell "I'm
24 > right and B is lying" is quite trollish too. To tell "I'm right, B
26 If I was not informed about the background I may have thought in a similar way.
28 But please tell me what you would do if you have been attacked in an unfair way?
30 It is usual not to believe unproven claims, but why do so many people believe
31 the unproven claims from Mr. Bloch? The problem with all the attacks was that
32 the people around Mr. Bloch spread vague unproven claims as usual in
33 calumniation campaigns. When asked to prove their claims, they either started
34 with new vague attacks or stopped answering. This would not be a problem if
35 people would not believe unproven claims.....
37 The real reason behind the attacks from Mr. Bloch is missing will for
38 cooperation. As he did not like this to be in relation with his name, he started
39 to spread the fairy tale about "license problems".
41 Interestingly, Eben Moglen (law professor) says that what cdrtools do is OK in
42 general. Lawyers asked by distributors of the original cdrtools say that there
43 is no problem in special. Some people still believe the "legal opinion" from a
44 laymen like Mr. Bloch.
47 > The problem, however, is that -being it your fault or not- that incident
48 > somehow made hard for some people to rely on your tools. :(
50 You cannot rely on the fork because it is full of bugs that never have been
51 in the original software and because no bugs are fixed since nearly 6 months.
53 You cannot rely on it because it has been initiated by people who attack free
54 software.
56 Jörg
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