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Rich Freeman <rich0 <at> gentoo.org> writes: |
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> > is integration of the best of the CoreOS ideas into "Gentoo proper". |
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> I'm not suggesting that "/usr types of systems" are going away. I'm |
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> just pointing out that they're not really the focus of CoreOS (hosting |
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> them inside containers is, but not running these kinds of applications |
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> in the host itself). |
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I do not intend to follow the CoreOS commercial path. It intend to mod |
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gentoo to achieve those attractive attributes back into my "gentoo proper". |
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tftp, pxe, dhcp, uefi and many other tools give us a path to |
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running the least (embedded) to the most (complex traditional server) |
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as an extension (compliment) to the cluster. So as was pointed out, |
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I'm merely "lifting" form CoreOS what they lifted from their predicessors; |
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no more no less. I see the gentoo admins being able to move hardrware |
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in and out of the cluster, dynamically and being able to run many |
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sorts of gentoo systems (embedded to fulls server) on a myriad of |
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hardware they own and control. |
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> You seem to be wanting a minimalist profile of Gentoo, not CoreOS. |
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YES!, I want Gentoo to "CRUSH" CoreOS because we can and our goal is not |
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to deceptively move users to a "rent the binary" jail. OK? |
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> < think many of us would love to see that, and I've been an advocate of |
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> paring down <at> system for just this reason. I just wouldn't use the |
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> term "CoreOS" with that as this is going to lead to confusion. CoreOS |
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> is a specialized distro intended to host containers, no more, no less. |
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OK, we see CoreOS differently. For me it was an Epiphany moment of |
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where I'm been trying to end up, with the aforementioned Gentoo twists. |
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> It isn't intended as a starting point for embedded projects or such. |
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> Sure, maybe you could make it work, but sooner or later CoreOS will |
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> make some change that will make you very unhappy because they aren't |
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> making it for you. |
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CoreOS will never be in my critical path. Large corporations will turn |
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computer scientist and hackers into WalMart type-employees. Conglomerates |
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are the enemy, imho. I fear Conglomerates much more than any group |
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of government idiots. ymmv. |
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(warning digression) |
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Just look at the entire "net neutrality" |
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turf struggle. That sort of "corner the market" monopolistic behavior |
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would not be possible, if we had just maintained the "MAE" precedence |
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for network peering. Obama had little choice; but, putting networks |
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under SS7 style telecom regulations is a deceptive and horrible idea. |
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Conglomerates lobby congress and get very bad ideas written into law. |
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All we needed is regulation to allow (force) all networks to peer with |
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other networks. The entire concept of "private peering" is horseshit |
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and it should be ended immediately. CoreOS and the "Cloud" lobbyist can |
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easily get regulations passed to put an end to this linux experiment, imho. |
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Differnt subject I know, but the tactics of conglomerates are always the |
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same. Roll up competition and eliminate it, oh all in the name of better |
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security and portecting our 1st amendment rights and our conglomerates. |
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(sorry of the digression). |
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> But, again, I'm all for a more lightweight Gentoo profile that doesn't |
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> bundle stuff like openssh, or even an init implementation (since we |
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> have several to choose from now). |
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Funny, ssh is one of a few things I would put into drastically reduce |
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@system. ymmv, unless you are going to add something like netconsole.c |
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back into the bundle. |
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I do not see my vision of the cluster (CoreOS insprired) to be limiting |
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to anyone at Gentoo. Not the embedded folks, not the mimalist, not |
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any init-camp, not the devs, hackers, or wannabees. And certainly |
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not the users. Is this a large undertaking? Certainly. Are the pieces |
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mostly already in existence, just scattered about and transversing time? |
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(methinks YES). |
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It all depends on how your vision works. Being older, I see a return to |
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massive diskless nodes being what CoreOS and the entire "Cloud Vendor" |
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conglomerates want. Conversely, I see those cheap microP now accompanied by |
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enormous amount of ram and SSD that is dirt cheap forming the building |
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blocks for the Gentoo cluster paradigm shift. I see Gentoo "smashing" that |
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"Cloud-vendor CoreOS" paradigm by provide what they offer and so much more |
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(full /usr systems) out of the same core codebase. I see Gentoo keeping the |
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rank and file computer scientists and hackers, gamefully employed. I see |
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the CoreOS folks migrating computer scientists and hackers to the Walmart |
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model of underemployment at a few conglomerates. |
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Gentoo provides an excellent set of choices and a very bright future for me |
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(cluster). Other can pick their own poison.... |
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peace, |
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&& thanks |
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James |