Re: [gentoo-user]Computer build, was PCIe x1 or PCIe x4 SATA controller card

[Frank Steinmetzger]

Am Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 05:36:16PM -0500 schrieb Dale:
> Frank Steinmetzger wrote:

> > If you want to save money and aim for a low-cost AMD APU (processor with
> > integrated graphics), you can get an older 3000-series Ryzen for a two-digit
> > price. It’ll still be much faster than your old FX at a fraction of the
> > power consumption. Like the 4300G, which is twice as fast for half the
> > electricity. With today’s processors, basically none of the socktetable
> > models are too slow unless you have specific performance requirements.
> > […]
> > Here are some benchmark comparisons from cpubenchmark.net:
> > […]
> > You can see the increase in performance. My old i5-4590, at half the cores,
> > can keep up with your FX, even though it is only 1½ years younger. Ryzens
> > used to be more efficient in multi workloads (look at the 2020 entries). But
> > I’m not too sure about current generations due to Intel’s big-little
> > concept.
> >> I was also wondering what a mobo/CPU/memory combo would cost nowadays. 
> >> Maybe someone who recently built a decent rig recalls how much they paid
> >> for those three.  I don't go cheap on power supply but I don't require a
> >> lot for a video card or anything.  Some spend half their money on a
> >> video card alone but I just don't need anything that fancy.
> > Any current Intel non-F CPU (F means no graphics) can cover your graphics
> > need. Finally, AMD caught up and started shipping a minimal graphics chip in
> > all of their processors with Zen 4, but as I said, that platform is still
> > expensive.
> >
> >> I got a Nvidia GeForce GTX 650 that drives both my monitor and my TVs
> >> through a splitter and it does just fine.
> > How cute. This should be about twice as fast as the integrated graphics in
> > my 8-year-old i5. So you’ll be fine with *any* integrated graphics (which
> > will also cut down on idle consuption, compared with a dGPU).
> > […]
>
> This is all good info.  I went to Tom's Hardware and found their list by
> computing power.  I try to find a generic power rating since what I use
> my rig for is more generic.  No need looking at a chart for gaming. 
> ;-)  Anyway, I was looking at a somewhat costly Ryzen 7 5800x3d or a
> Ryzen 7 7700.

The 5800x3d got a huge boost from its cache. It may be the most powerful AM4 
socket processor around. But it is aimed mostly at gamers, because that’s 
where the cache mostly shines.

> Plus, if the video stops working, replace card instead of whole mobo.

Onboard graphics sits in the CPU. The mobo just routes the signal. And if 
any of that breaks, you can still fall back to a slot-in GPU.

> I also have to have two outputs.  One for desktop, one for TV.

Most boards have at least two outputs, nowadays usually one HDMI and DP.

> One other thing, the mobos I keep finding have few PCIe slots.  Some
> have 2 maybe 3.  That's getting to be to few for me.

Gamer boards tend to skimp on ports, because those people generally care 
mostly for their GPU (plus design and RGB). I believe you use ATX boards, 
right? Here is a list of AM4 ATX boards with at least four PCIe slots, 
totalling to 70 models (and still 31 with five slots):
https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=mbam4&xf=18869_4.
Feel free to play with the filters yourself.

> Then my next thing, a case.  The cases I find have a ton of lights, which
> I hate, but as far as layout and such, they suck.  Some cost a arm and leg
> and they are worthless to me.

Unilluminated ATX cases for at least five 3.5″ drives:
https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=gehatx&xf=17572_ohne%7E536_5%7E9691_ATX
Or for eight drives:
https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=gehatx&xf=17572_ohne%7E536_8%7E9691_ATX

There are some nice bland black boxes among them, notably the Fractal Define 
series.

> I found one the other day that is fairly plain, holds 8 or 10 hard drives
> and has reasonably good cooling.  I'm hoping I can get it. 

Here, Linus is showcasing an 8-drives storage machine in a Fractal Define R4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpJViwtct5g
And here a system with 18 drives 🤪 in a Fractal Define 7XL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAy9N1vX76o

> Usually I look forward to building a new rig.  Trying to find things I
> like takes the fun out of it.  I'll get there tho.  Eventually. 

I’ve been thinking for two years now. But my old PC keeps on running. I even 
play some Cities Skylines with its 8-year-old intel iGPU. I just can’t bring 
myself to discard that or to dosh out the money. And I can’t decide for a 
form factor. I want to have all at once and use them depending of the mood 
of the day. :D

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