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Am Mittwoch, 13. Dezember 2017, 20:37:47 CET schrieb Alan Mackenzie: |
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> > > I've no idea how good systemd is. It's not been through the normal |
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> > > process of choice and selection that other successful packages have. It |
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> > > was forced on people. But being forced to have a binary system log, |
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> > > being forced (so I have heard) to have an http server running, ...., |
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> > > doesn't make it an attractive package for me. |
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> > *All* of this is "so I have heard". What happened to researching stuff as |
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> > the better alternative to speaking out of your ass? |
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> What have I done to deserve this abusive style of repartee? I have never |
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> doled this out to anybody on this list in the past, and have no intention |
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> of doing so in the future. |
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You're right, you received the brunt of my built up aggression from this |
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thread. I'm sorry for that. |
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> Yes, there are a lot of "so I have heard"s in my posts. Asking people on |
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> this list to confirm or refute things is a form of research, and a lot |
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> more efficient than many other ones. |
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> There are several tens of thousands of packages in Gentoo, and I lack the |
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> time personally to investigate each one. Asking people who already use |
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> them and post on this list is a normal thing to do. Answering questions |
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> about packages one oneself uses is the flip side of that coin. |
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Except that you're not exactly asking questions, now are you? You asked Neil |
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one, but only after a longer to and fro. If you *had* actually started out |
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asking questions, as opposed to spouting hearsay and then even literally |
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saying that you couldn't be bothered to research systemd yourself, my response |
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would have been drastically different. Remember that everybody is here on |
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their own time, and not everybody wants to spend it responding to questions |
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that can easily be answered by reading documentation. I'm already wasting |
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oodles of time writing this as is. |
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If you *really* are interested, there is a longer thread on gentoo-amd64 where |
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I wrote about my experience switching to systemd [0] (keep in mind, however, |
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that a bunch of it is outdated by now, such as how I manage networking and |
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backups). It could be interesting especially since it's mostly about actually |
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solving problems. |
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I could list specific features of systemd that I like and make use of (such as |
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socket activation, autofs integration, user units, nspawn, or the journal), |
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but thinking about it, it's a "more than the sum of its parts" kind of deal. |
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Managing a system with systemd is just overall pleasant for me. |
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[ And I never again have to deal with the state of a service being misreported |
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by OpenRC because a daemons PID file has the wrong PID in it, or with stopping |
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a service not actually stopping it, both of which I had experienced multiple |
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times. ] |
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[0] https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-amd64/message/ |
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58c67218a203b84318d52a39c3c67f73 |
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Greetings |
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-- |
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Marc Joliet |
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"People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we |
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don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup |