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On Montag, 11. August 2008, b.n. wrote: |
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> Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto: |
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> > On Sonntag, 10. August 2008, b.n. wrote: |
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> >> Hi, |
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> >> |
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> >> I ask it here because I really don't know where to ask it. |
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> >> |
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> >> Is there a Linux system somewhere with a *non-GNU* userland? |
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> > linux + uclibc + busybox? |
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> > yes. And maybe you even get X or KDE run on it - google and tell us your |
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> > results ;) |
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> > |
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> > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/downloads/files/uclibc.txt |
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> Wow! To bring back the thread on a Gentoo topic, I found neat howtos on |
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> the wiki: |
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> http://gentoo-wiki.com/TinyGentoo |
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> http://gentoo-wiki.com/Embedded_Gentoo |
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> I guess I'll try when I'll have some really spare time... |
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> Thanks for the cool link. The "next step", I guess, is things that |
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> differ conceptually from the familiar Linux we're accustomed to. That |
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> is, if you follow newslogs like OSNews, you'll see a lot of hobbysts and |
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> engineers like to create new kernels. There is less interest in doing |
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> conceptually novel userlands (novel shells etc.) or it is just my |
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> impression? Maybe a more boring task? |
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there are many shells. sh, bash, bsh. korn, csh, zsh, dash, tcsh, .... why |
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make a new one, if you can do incredible stuff with zsh? A shell is not so |
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easy to create. |
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A new kernel is not so hard to do. The problem are the drivers - and all the |
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quirks. It is one thing to write a little task scheduler for your little pet |
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project, but if it crashs constantly it becomes a bitch to fight through all |
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the errata. But at the beginning a simple kernel is much easier to do than |
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stuff that runs on it (simple is the important work. A non-simple kernel is |
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very hard). |
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Another thing are libcs. A libc is a bitch. Luckily there is a whole bunch to |
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choose from. glibc, bsd's libc, uclibc, dietlibc, ... so why re-invent the |
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wheel? |
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Or look at X. X is horrible. A convoluted mess of grown cruft and standards |
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to hold the pile together. But where is the replacement? Fiasco/Berlin? |
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failed. Y-window? failed. Because X works good enough. And if you aren't |
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writing toolkits or apps using xlib directly, you don't need to care about |
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most of the stuff. |
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So hobbyist concentrate on the easy stuff - and a userland is not easy. |
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Userland is not boring - it is very hard. And the best userland doesn't help |
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you if no 3rd party software runs on it. |
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