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Am 29.09.2013 19:58, schrieb Tanstaafl: |
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> On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk> wrote: |
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>> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote: |
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>>>> I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is |
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>>>> unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev specifically |
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>>>> for this. It is true that it does things that don't work if /usr isn't |
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>>>> mounted, but eudev does as well, since it is basically the same code. |
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>>> |
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>>> Who else is there to blame? We are continually being told that a |
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>>> separate /usr is "broken", as though this were some unfortunate act of |
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>>> <insert your deity here>, much like an earthquake. This gets |
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>>> patronising really quickly. (Please note, I'm NOT blaming you here. I |
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>>> appreciate that you're as much victim as Dale or me or anyone else |
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>>> round here.) |
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>> It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction, |
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>> now it |
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>> has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer devote the |
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>> increasing time needed to support what has now become an dge case. |
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> So the solution is to give users one MONTH to prepare? Why not 6 |
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> months, or better, a year? What for gods sake is the rush??? |
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one month to run genkernel is more than enough. And that this point was |
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approaching was clear - what, 2 years ago? At least? |
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> Where are the links/pointers to the INTERNAL discussions of this |
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> decision? I seriously want to know. If gentoo devs are not willing to |
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> provide a 'paper trail' for how this decision was arrived at, and let |
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> others judge their decisions based on the merits of their arguments, |
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> then what does that say about their true motivations/intentions? |
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marc.info --> gentoo-dev |
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> Again, I don't have a problem necessarily with what is being decided |
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> (no separate /usr without an initramfs), my problem is with the |
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> implementation - giving us one MONTH before we can expect possible |
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> breakage with each and every update. |
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No, you already can expect possible breakage with each and every update. |
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In 4 weeks they will stop listening to your complains. |
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> The other HUGE thing that worries me, and has me seriously considering |
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> switching to FreeBSD NOW, is, maybe there really is a secret, |
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> underlying ulterior motive to force both systemd AND an initramfs for |
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> everyone in ALL use cases. If that is the case, then say so now, and |
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> give those of us who do not want this advanced notice, and I'll just |
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> plan on setting my gentoo box to never update on Nov 1, and start |
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> working on learning FreeBSD and if necessary, pay someone to help me |
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> migrate services to it. |
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so do it. You will be a lot happier there. I am sure. With forcing llvm |
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etc.... |
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