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On 170219-08:45+0000, Mick wrote: |
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> On Saturday 18 Feb 2017 22:05:01 Walter Dnes wrote: |
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> > On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 04:57:52PM -0500, Harry Putnam wrote |
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> > > Any advice about slick ways of getting fully updated but dumping kde |
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> > > on the way. |
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> > |
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> > *IMPORTANT* KDE is obscene about dependancies. E.g. when a |
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> > lightweight pdf-reader was phased out, I looked at various options |
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> > including okular. It's an "itty-bitty-little-applet"... that seems to |
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> > pull in 90% of KDE as dependancies. If you want to get rid of KDE, you |
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> > must be prepared to dump every last little KDE app/applet. It's an |
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> > all-or-nothing situation. Sorry. |
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> > |
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> > 1) "eselect profile list" and switch to a basic non-KDE profile of your |
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> > choice. |
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> > |
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> > 2) "emerge gentoolkit" if not already present. |
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> > 3) "cat /var/lib/portage/world" and see what KDE stuff you have. |
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> > 4) Unmerge (i.e. "emerge --unmerge) obvious KDE-related stuff that you |
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> > find in world. |
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> > 5) "emerge --depclean" (May not help if you've done "emerge --sync" and |
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> > not fully updated). |
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> > The next 3 steps are going to be repeated several times |
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> > 6) "emerge -pv --changed-use --deep --update @world" |
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> > 7) You'll probably see portage try to pull KDE back in. For each lib |
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> > "fu-bar/foobar" that portage tries to pull in do "equery d fu-bar/foobar" |
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> > and manually unmerge whatever it finds. (Note: gentoolkit provides the |
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> > equery tool). |
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> > 8) GOTO 6 (until portage stops trying to pull in KDE stuff). |
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> As Walter indicates above, the problem is many every day desktop applications |
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> have either KDE or Gnome dependencies. Depending on your needs you may find |
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> it inevitable that one or the other desktop environment with its mega-suite of |
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> packages will be pulled in. |
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> -- |
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> Regards, |
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> Mick |
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True! KDE is not so bad, but it and Gnome, they invent, they imposition |
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dependencies. Some four years ago now, I wasn't able to easily switch |
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from KDE to what I use now: plain openbox. I even start it with simply |
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"startx"... |
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I wish Harry can do it, but I'm only cautiously optimistic... |
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I don't know if I would be able to do it now if I had KDE installed, |
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lots of things have changed in 4 yrs... Lots of things have changed, but |
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I don't think the impositioning of dependencies by KDE has... |
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But the worse thing in both KDE and Gnome is the dbus, the opaque program |
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that is easily misused against the user. And figuring out about it, and |
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getting rid of it, that was also hard. |
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Getting sans-dbus is now in Gentoo much much easier, almost readily |
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available (there's even a dbus useflag since not long time ago). |
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I was wondering if maybe I was wrong: |
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Are there options for KDE/Gnome without dbus (or d-bus) now? |
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Miroslav Rovis |
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Zagreb, Croatia |
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https://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr |