Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:43 AM, Walter Dnes <waltdnes@××××××××.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 02:00:23AM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote
> >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Daniel Campbell <lists@××××××××.us> wrote:
> >
> >> You need an OpenRC use flag to install OpenRC init scripts? That's
> >> simply a lie.
> >
> >   An apology to Daniel might be in order.  I start my USE flag with "-*".
> > During a recent install, I found out "the hard way" that eudev (and udev)
> > do not install their init scripts without the "openrc" flag.  As you can
> > see from the ebuild fragments below, they require the "openrc" flag to
> > pull in sys-fs/udev-init-scripts
> >
> > From sys-fs/udev/udev-197-r8.ebuild
> > ===================================
> > PDEPEND=">=virtual/udev-197-r1
> >         hwdb? ( >=sys-apps/hwids-20130114[udev] )
> >         openrc? ( >=sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-19-r1 )"
> >
> > From sys-fs/eudev/eudev-1_beta4-r1.ebuild
> > =========================================
> > PDEPEND=">=virtual/udev-180
> >         openrc? ( >=sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-18 )"
>
> udev/eudev are special cases: the first is systemd with systemd
> removed at make install time; the second is a fork of systemd with
> systemd exorcised. The systemd package also uses the "openrc" USE flag
> to install OpenRC init scripts; I hope you agree that it is also an
> special case (systemd, which is a whole init system, provides init
> scripts for another init system). The package sys-apps/kmod also uses
> the "openrc" USE flag to install an init script, which "Create[s] [a]
> list of required static device nodes for the current kernel". I have
> no idea why this is necessary, but kmod is a dependency of systemd,
> and the developers of both projects collaborate a lot  between them.
>
> No other package in the tree uses an "openrc" USE flag (or at least
> they don't appear in /usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc), except for
> plymouth, and that it's to install a plugin for OpenRC, not to install
> its OpenRC scripts.
>
> So no package in the tree uses an "openrc" USE flag to install init
> scripts, except for one somewhat related to systemd, two forks and/or
> special handling of systemd, and systemd itself. In *ALL* the other
> packages in the tree, the OpenRC init scripts are installed
> unconditionally, as the systemd unit files are.
>
> And that's how it should be.
>
> Lastly, the ebuilds for udev/eudev should work out of the box in a
> sane configuration. You have been told several times, both by users
> and developers, that USE="-*" is not really supported; you broke your
> system by using it, you get to keep the pieces.
>
> Gentoo is about choice (or so I keep hearing); that doesn't mean it
> shouldn't strive to have sane defaults that keep the majority happy:
>
> http://blogs.gentoo.org/mgorny/2013/07/23/keeping-the-majority-happy/

So, I hope the package  maintainers will create or install systemd units
and init.d files so we can have the choice and not spend tons of time
maintaining the system -- it gets to the point of being rediculous after
a while.  Systemd sounds nice, but its frustrating because of this.

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