Gentoo Archives: gentoo-user

From: "J. Roeleveld" <joost@××××××××.org>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 22:22:45
Message-Id: C4407AEB-CC4C-4325-898B-AF18E9C9689A@antarean.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install by Christopher Robinson
1 On September 25, 2016 12:14:03 AM GMT+02:00, Christopher Robinson <chrisrobinson@××××××××××.com> wrote:
2 >I was not referring to screenshots as you well know but the unwarranted
3 >commnets at the end
4
5 Actually, the email you replied to only referenced the screenshots and the inherent risks with regards to pointing inexperienced people to them.
6
7 We can keep debating this for a very long time if you want. But that will not help the issue you are clearly facing and which led you to post a rather cryptic message to this list. And following up on replies with further cryptic and incomplete information.
8
9 Why don't you answer my other emails.
10
11 And to make it easier for everyone to follow, it is not difficult to bottom post using yahoo mail.
12 Simply write your answer below the part you are replying to.
13
14
15
16 >--------------------------------------------
17 >On Sat, 9/24/16, J. Roeleveld <joost@××××××××.org> wrote:
18 >
19 > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
20 > To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
21 > Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 5:59 PM
22 >
23 > On September 24, 2016
24 >11:53:05 PM GMT+02:00, Christopher Robinson
25 ><chrisrobinson@××××××××××.com>
26 > wrote:
27 > >If I got paid for every person I
28 > had to enlighten about their snarky
29 > >comments, I could retire
30 > >myself
31 >
32 > You
33 > are either trying to be funny or have an obvious lack of
34 > understanding about humanity.
35 >
36 > I was simply pointing out that screenshots are
37 > not the most useful tool i  describing a process that is
38 > subject to fast changes. Especially as most people tend to
39 > expect the screenshots to match reality.
40 >
41 > If you think most people will understand that
42 > screenshots don't necessarily match what is displayed on
43 > screen and can easily adapt, you are either very young or
44 > have been living under a rock.
45 >
46 > --
47 > Joost
48 >
49 >
50 > >--------------------------------------------
51 > >On Sat, 9/24/16, J. Roeleveld <joost@××××××××.org>
52 > wrote:
53 > >
54 > > Subject:
55 > Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
56 > > To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
57 > > Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 5:49
58 > PM
59 > >
60 > > On September
61 > 24, 2016
62 > >11:42:23 PM GMT+02:00,
63 > Christopher Robinson
64 > ><chrisrobinson@××××××××××.com>
65 > > wrote:
66 > > >Joost you
67 > should not be
68 > > responding to people
69 > seeking help. Your
70 > > >attititude is
71 > offensive.
72 > >
73 > > Please
74 > do enlighten us. What
75 > > part of the email
76 > you are responding to is offensive?
77 > >
78 > >
79 > >
80 > >
81 > >
82 > >
83 > >--------------------------------------------
84 > > >On Sat, 9/24/16, J. Roeleveld <joost@××××××××.org>
85 > > wrote:
86 > > >
87 > > > Subject:
88 > > Re:
89 > [gentoo-user] New Install
90 > > > To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
91 > > > Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016,
92 > 5:36
93 > > PM
94 > > >
95 > > > On September
96 > > 24,
97 > 2016
98 > > > 11:29:59 PM GMT+02:00,
99 > Joachim
100 > > Gwoke <joachimgwoke@×××××.com>
101 > > > wrote:
102 > > >
103 > >On 25 Sep
104 > > 2016 12:19 a.m.,
105 > > > "Dale"
106 > >
107 > <rdalek1967@×××××.com>
108 > > > wrote:
109 > > >
110 > >>
111 > > > >> J.
112 > > > Roeleveld
113 > >
114 > wrote:
115 > > > >> > On
116 > September
117 > > > 24, 2016 10:54:56 PM
118 > GMT+02:00, Dale
119 > > > ><rdalek1967@×××××.com>
120 > > > >wrote:
121 > > >
122 > >>
123 > > >>
124 > >
125 > > Well, you said you hadn't
126 > > set
127 > up any users and their
128 > > >
129 > passwords.
130 > >
131 > > >
132 > >That
133 > > > >>
134 > > >> is
135 > > >
136 > >>
137 > > > >> part of the
138 > install process and
139 > > is in the
140 > guide. 
141 > > > You are told to
142 > > > >set
143 > > >
144 > >>
145 > > >> up
146 > > > >>
147 > > >
148 > >> the root password in one section
149 > > and to set up a
150 > > >
151 > user and its
152 > > > >password
153 > > > >>
154 > >
155 > >> in another section.  At the
156 > >
157 > >
158 > > very least, you missed those two
159 > parts
160 > > >
161 > >
162 > >and
163 > > > >> >> that
164 > > > isn't a assumption, it's
165 > based on
166 > > what you posted. 
167 > > > What else
168 > > >
169 > >you
170 > > > >>
171 > > > >> missed I'm not sure and
172 > most
173 > > likely, no one
174 > > > else is either. 
175 > > Rich
176 > > > >>
177 > >>
178 > > > posted
179 > > > >>
180 > >
181 > >> that he thinks you
182 > > > missed
183 > a
184 > > whole section which may or may not
185 > be
186 > > >
187 > > >>
188 > >> correct but we do know you
189 > >
190 > > missed at least a couple steps  Given
191 > > > >enough
192 > > >
193 > >>
194 > > >>
195 > >
196 > > information, someone may be
197 > > able
198 > to figure it out tho.
199 > > > >>
200 > > > Dale,
201 > > >
202 > >>
203 > > > >
204 > >
205 > > >> >
206 > > You should know
207 > better.
208 > > > Please
209 > > don't make it worse by top-posting
210 > > >
211 > > >even
212 > > > >more.
213 > >
214 > >
215 > > >> >
216 > >
217 > > >> >
218 > > > >From what I
219 > understand from this
220 > > nightmare of a
221 > messy
222 > > > thread, the
223 > > > >OP
224 > > >
225 > >seems
226 > > > to be looking for an
227 > > install-script/tool.
228 > >
229 > > >> > This
230 > > does not exist
231 > other than
232 > > > the simple to
233 > > follow handbook.
234 > > >
235 > >>
236 > > > >
237 > >
238 > > >> >
239 > > --
240 > > > >> > Joost
241 > > > >>
242 > > >
243 > >
244 > > > >> >
245 > > >
246 > > >>
247 > > > >> Well, as you
248 > > > know, I never top post unless it is a
249 > new
250 > > person that
251 > >
252 > > >> starts it.  The
253 > > only
254 > reason I do it
255 > > > then is because
256 > > most likely the
257 > > >
258 > >>
259 > > > person on the other end
260 > has no choice but
261 > > too.  It's
262 > > > likely why no
263 > >
264 > > >one
265 > > > >> has
266 > > mentioned this.  For all we know,
267 > > > he
268 > > may be doing
269 > this with a
270 > > > >>
271 > > limited
272 > > > cell
273 > phone.  Who knows.  For
274 > > the normal
275 > situations tho,
276 > > > I
277 > > > >bottom
278 > > >
279 > >>
280 > > post
281 > > >
282 > as you know or do it inline.  I
283 > > will
284 > be glad when he gets
285 > > > it
286 > > > >sorted
287 > > >
288 > >>
289 > > out
290 > > >
291 > and can actually set it up to be
292 > >
293 > mailing list friendly. 
294 > > > Top
295 > > > >> posting, multiple threads
296 > and
297 > > > all makes it hard to
298 > follow.
299 > > > >>
300 > > > >>
301 > > I'm
302 > beginning to think the same
303 > > >
304 > > thing.  Here we thought he was
305 > > >
306 > > >further
307 > > > >> into the
308 > > > install and just missed a few
309 > > steps/section and now
310 > >
311 > > I'm
312 > > > >> beginning to
313 > think he has
314 > > > only booted the
315 > install media and wants
316 > > a
317 > > > >> installer command. 
318 > Maybe
319 > > he will
320 > > >
321 > post something that will help
322 > > us
323 > > > >help
324 > > >
325 > > >> him.  Maybe.  I thought I had
326 > a
327 > > > rough idea but based on a
328 > recent
329 > > > >post,
330 > > > >> we
331 > > may
332 > be
333 > > > all wrong on where he is in
334 > this
335 > > process.
336 > > >
337 > >>
338 > > >
339 > >
340 > >> Dale
341 > > > >>
342 > > > >> :-)  :-)
343 > > >
344 > > >>
345 > > > >
346 > > >
347 > > >Apologies for starting the top
348 > posting,
349 > > > >
350 > >
351 > > >I had
352 > > earlier
353 > > > suggested using
354 > >
355 > > >http://www.tecmint.com/gentoo-linux-installation-guide/
356 > > > and the Gentoo
357 > >
358 > >
359 > > >handbook side by
360 > > > side.
361 > > >
362 > >The link provided has the option
363 > >
364 > > of using the LiveDVD. I do not know at
365 > > > >what stage the install failed but
366 > it
367 > > might
368 > > > be
369 > easier to start over.
370 > > > >
371 > > > >Regards
372 > > >
373 > >Joachim
374 > > >
375 > >
376 > > I had a quick look at that
377 > > >
378 > one. (Part 1 only) and it looks like the
379 > > old quick install
380 > >
381 > > guide, but now with
382 > >
383 > screenshots.
384 > > >
385 > >
386 > >
387 > > Screenshots are nice, but are
388 > always version
389 > > > dependent.
390 > > >
391 > > > If I would
392 > get a
393 > > >
394 > > penny
395 > or cent or whatever is the smallest part of your
396 > > local
397 > > > currency
398 > for every time someone
399 > > is completely
400 > incapable of
401 > > > following an
402 > > install guide when only one of the
403 > screenshots
404 > > > no longer 100% match
405 > the guide, I would
406 > > have already
407 > retired
408 > > > to my own little
409 > > island in the Pacific...
410 > > >
411 > > > The
412 > screenshots on that link
413 > > > seem to
414 > be related to a boot CD/DVD dated
415 > > to
416 > 2012 and being
417 > > > used to install
418 > > Gentoo in 2014.
419 > > >
420 >
421 > > > I
422 > > expect
423 > more confused questions from people
424 > >
425 > > who are not able to follow simple
426 > >
427 > instructions if they are
428 > > > going
429 > to
430 > > blindly follow this.
431 > > >
432 > > > --
433 > > > Joost
434 > > >
435 > > > --
436 > > >
437 > > > Sent from my Android
438 > > device with K-9 Mail.
439 > >
440 > > Please excuse my
441 > > brevity.
442 > >
443 > >
444 > > >
445 > >
446 > >
447 > > --
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449 > > my Android
450 > device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my
451 > >
452 > brevity.
453 > >
454 > >
455 >
456 >
457 > --
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459 > Please excuse my brevity.
460 >
461 >
462
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