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On 02/03/2022 19:39, Philip Webb wrote: |
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> After > 6 years , I'm planning to build a new machine ANB6. |
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> The present machine ANB5 -- details at end -- continues to perform well, |
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> but I can't rely on that for ever. |
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> I use it for everyday desktop work + fun. |
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> The weekly Gentoo update is the main stressor, for which ANB5 is adequate, |
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> but it's always nice to get a bit more speed & avoid too much heat-up. |
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> I expect to buy the parts from the local store |
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> -- Canada Computers in Downtown Toronto -- & prices below are in CAD. |
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> I'm price-sensitive, but willing to pay a bit more for a better part. |
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> Here's the list + a few comments ; '*' denotes presently prefered item : |
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> ANB6 |
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> [ CPU : not much difference, but comments very welcome. |
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> I've had good luck with AMD in the past, less so with Intel ] |
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> 220208 CPU AMD : CPAMD00131 : Ryzen 7 : 5700G : 8-core 16-thread : $ 388 |
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> Socket AM4 : 3,8 / 4,6 GHz : Radeon Graphix Wreath Stealth |
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> 00055 : Ryzen 7 : 3700X : 7 nm : 8-core 16-thread : $ 400 |
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> Socket AM4 : 3,6 / 4,4 GHz |
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> * 00110 : Ryzen 7 : 5800X : ZEN 3 : 7 nm : 8-core 16-thread : $ 460 |
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> Socket AM4 : 3,8 / 4,7 GHz boost |
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I stick to AMD. Prejudice? Quite likely. |
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> [ Mobo : ANB4 (previous machine, now stand-by) + ANB5 have Gigabyte ] |
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> 220219 Mobo AMD : MBASU00311 : Asus : Prime B550+ (Ryzen AM4) : $ 180 |
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> dual M.2 : PCle 4.0 : 1 GB Ethernet : SATA 6 Gbps |
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> USB 3.2 gen 2 Types A/C : Aura Sync RGB headers support |
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> * MBGIG00145 : Gigabyte : X570 Aorus elite WIFI : $ 220 |
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> dual PCle 4.0 M.2 : Intel dual-band 802.11ac wireless |
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> front USB Type C : RGB Fusion 2.0 |
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Again, I stick to Gigabyte. |
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> [ Memory : Kingston has always performed well & 16 GB sb adequate ] |
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> 220222 Memory : MEKIT00581 : Kingston : 2 x 8 = 16 GB $ 110 |
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> DDR4 3600 MHz CL17 dual channel |
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What's the largest chip a slot takes? If you can afford it, buy two of |
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those. My new mobo takes 16GB, and they were only GB£50 each - £100. If |
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you ever want to upgrade the ram, you won't need to "chuck and replace". |
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> [ Graphics card : this seems to be the big problem. |
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> There are cheaper cards, but they're all "sold out" : |
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> apparently, there's a supply problem at present ; |
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> this was the cheapest in stock in late Feb ] |
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> 220223 Graphix : VCASU00223 : Asus : $ 280 |
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> Phoenix PH-GTX1650-O4GD6 GeForce GTX 1650 |
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> 4 GB GDDR6 : 1.41 GHz Core : 128 bit Bus Width |
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> DisplayPort HDMI DVI |
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> [ cheapest available : most types sold out : >= $ 60 ] |
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Look at the new "combined CPU and Video" chips - most boards have had |
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onboard graphics since don't know when, but the newer boards need a |
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combined G/CPU for onboard to work. |
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> [ SSD : Kingston as above : 1 TB sb adequate ] |
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> 220222 SSD : SSKIT00058 : Kingston : 512 GB $ 95 |
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> KC600 SATA3 6 GB/s 2,5" R 550 W 520 MB/s |
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> * SSKIT00069 : Kingston : 1 TB $ 170 |
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> KC600 SATA3 6 GB/s 2,5" R 550 W 520 MB/s |
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> SSSAS00105 : Samsung : 500 GB $ 100 |
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> 870EVO SATA3 R 560 W 530 MB/s |
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> SSSAS00106 : Samsung : 1 TB $ 140 |
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> 870EVO SATA3 R 560 W 530 MB/s |
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> SSWEE00015 : W Digital : 500 GB $ 90 |
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> 3D NAND SATA R 560 W 530 MB/s |
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> SSWEE00015 : W Digital : 1 TB $ 140 |
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> 3D NAND SATA M.2 2280 R 560 W 530 MB/s |
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If you're planning to use the mobo's SATA ports, just make sure you know |
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how many will be usable. Both an M2 board and a Graphics board nick PCIe |
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channels, and the mobo may disable SATA ports to free them up ... |
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> [ HDD : for back-up + alternative OS (Mint). |
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> ANB5 has Seagate : anyone prefer W Digital & if so, why ? ] |
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> * 220222 HDD : HDSEA00144 : Seagate : 2 TB $ 55 |
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> SATA 3,5" 7200 RPM |
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BarraCuda? That's an SMR drive. Look at the FireCuda instead or even |
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better an IronWolf. Only snag is, it'll push the price up. Umm ... the |
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firecuda costs a lot more than I thought - a 4TB IronWolf is £84. |
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> HDWD002115 : W Digital : 1 TB $ 60 |
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> SATA 3,5" 6 GB/s 7200 RPM 64 MB cache |
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WD Black? Again, probably SMR. The BarraCuda looks cheaper, bigger, better. |
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> [ Case : ANB5 has Deepcool, which seems a good price ] |
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> * 220223 Case : CSDCL00019 : Deepcool : $ 55 |
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> E-Shield 120 mm Fan Radiator Support |
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> E-ATX/ATX/MicroATX/MiniITX |
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> 00032 : Matrexx 50 $ 60 |
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> 00035 : Matrexx 55 MESH $ 70 |
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> PSU Shroud |
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> 00044 : Macube 310P WH $ 80 |
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> Magnetic/CableManagement/FAN HUB Pre-install |
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> [ Power : ANB5 has Thermaltake : is 700 W likely to be adequate ? ] |
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Crumbs. For the system you're spec'ing, 250W is probably adequate. That |
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said, at $60 I wouldn't skimp on a decent supply. A stressed supply is |
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more likely (a) to blow, and (b) to take out components with it. That |
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$60 is money well spent. My PSUs are Corsairs, for no particular reason. |
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> * 220223 PSU : PSTHL00007 : Thermaltake $ 60 |
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> 700 W 80 PLUS |
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> PSSES00017 : Seasonic $ 60 |
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> FOCUS SSR-650FM 650 W 80+ |
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> Gold Semi-Modular ATX12V/EPS12V Compact 140 mm |
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> PSCO001438 : Corsair $ 60 |
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> CX-M CX650M 650 W 80+ Bronze |
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> PSEVG00043 : EVGA $ 60 |
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> 600 BQ, 80+ BRONZE 600 W Semi-Modular FDB Fan 3-Yr Warranty |
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> PSCO100109 : Corsair $ 80 |
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> CX750F RGB 750 W 80+ Bronze Fully Modular |
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> [ Wifi : currently, I'm using a landline for Internet, |
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> but my new apartment has free Wifi. Is it standard on Mobos these days ? ] |
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Dunno. If it doesn't you should be able to get a USB dongle ... |
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> Wifi : sb std on mobo |
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> [ Sound : I've never installed sound on my computers, but it wb nice. |
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> Do all Mobos have a sound chip today ? -- I'm an utter novice here ] |
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> Sound : sb available fr mobo, card is opt'l extra |
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I think sound has been standard for absolutely years. Note that most |
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VDUs are HDMI nowadays - get one with speakers and the sound should come |
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out that. |
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> [ DVD drive : I don't believe I need this anymore ] |
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> DVD ? |
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You don't need it, just get one anyway, they're about £20 max? (Or |
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salvage one from an old PC - they're all SATA nowadays anyway.) |
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> [ These are the specs for the present machine, built Oct 2015 ] |
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> ANB5 |
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> 150914 CPU : AMD X8 FX8370E 8-core 4,3 GHz 16 MB 32 nm 95 W : 259.00 |
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> Direct replacement : 3 yr : 38.85 |
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> 150926 Mobo : ASUS M5A97 LE AMD 970/SB8950 DDR3 1866 GHz : 104.99 |
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> 150914 Memory : Kingston HyperX Fury 8 GB DDR3 1866 MHz CL10 : 68.99 |
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> 150914 Graphix : Asus GT610 810 MHz clock 1200 MHz memory : 74.99 |
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> 150914 SSD : Kingston SSDNow V300 240 GB SATA RW 450 MB/s : 109.99 |
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> 150914 HDD : Seagate Desktop SATA3 1 TB 64 MB 6 GB/s : 57.99 |
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> Ont recycle fee : 0.75 |
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> 150914 DVD : Samsung SH-224FB 24x SATA 1.5 MB : 21.99 |
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> Ont recycle fee : 0.75 |
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> 150917 Case : Deepcool Terraract BF : 39.99 |
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> 150917 PSU : Thermaltake TR2 500 W : 59.99 |
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> ANB4 ANB5 have Gigabyte mobo (ANB5 had Asus, wh had 2 defects) ; |
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> ANB1-3 had Asus mobo (ANB2 orig'ly had Soyo) |
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> [ 'ANB' = 'Aristotle's new body' : Aristotle was my original XT in 1989 |
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> & when I built my 1st machine in 2000, it was his 1st new body, |
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> since when he's been my computer spirit (smile). |
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> I'm a Classicist by training & wrote my PhD thesis on the philosopher. |
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> I have a mathematical side too ] |
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For your hard drive, SMR will be fine for backups. I'd try and create |
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two 50GB partitions for /gentoo and /mint on the SSD. Try and use UEFI |
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for boot, it'll probably make booting simpler. I've got |
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BIOS/GRUB/gentoo+SUSE and they trample on each other :-( Then you've got |
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900GB for /home etc. |
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I'd put LVM on the backup drive, so you can create snapshots of your |
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backups and do full backups with an incremental copy - look at rsync |
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with --in-place. That makes the BarraCuda even better value ... |
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Cheers, |
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