Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

[Mick]

On Sunday 05 Jun 2011 19:59:59 David W Noon wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 01:10:02 +0200, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user]
> Threads changing  Was: OT: website design:
>
> [snip]
>
> >Oh, so when it gets broken, I need to find the message before that to
> >see where it got messed up.  Sorry to use the technical term "messed
> >up" but it fits rather well.  lol
>
> Okay, this is my second follow-up to this message, and things are
> becoming much clearer in my mind and somewhat more complicated in
> reality.
>
> The message to which I am replying has the following header lines:
>
> Message-ID: <h088G-8nx-5@×××××××××××××.it>
>
> X-Original-Message-ID: <4DEAB868.6040001@×××××.com>
>
> My first reply has these two header lines, the first of which should be
> part of the thread formation process used by a good MUA:
>
> References: <h0nU6-PO-13@×××××××××××××.it>
>  <h0nU6-PO-15@×××××××××××××.it> <h0nU6-PO-17@×××××××××××××.it>
>  <h0nU6-PO-19@×××××××××××××.it> <h0nU6-PO-21@×××××××××××××.it>
>  <h0nU6-PO-23@×××××××××××××.it> <h0nU6-PO-25@×××××××××××××.it>
>  <h0nU6-PO-27@×××××××××××××.it> <h0nU6-PO-29@×××××××××××××.it>
>  <h0nU6-PO-31@×××××××××××××.it> <h0nU6-PO-33@×××××××××××××.it>
>  <h0nU6-PO-35@×××××××××××××.it> <h0o3M-1jx-13@×××××××××××××.it>
>
> X-Original-References: <gZYsG-h5-21@×××××××××××××.it>
> 	<h07vY-7fk-15@×××××××××××××.it>
> 	<h07vY-7fk-17@×××××××××××××.it>
> 	<h07vY-7fk-19@×××××××××××××.it>
> 	<h07vY-7fk-21@×××××××××××××.it>
> 	<h07vY-7fk-23@×××××××××××××.it>
> 	<h07vY-7fk-25@×××××××××××××.it>
> 	<h07vY-7fk-27@×××××××××××××.it>
> 	<gZYsG-h5-23@×××××××××××××.it>
> 	<h07vY-7fk-29@×××××××××××××.it>
> 	<h07vY-7fk-31@×××××××××××××.it>
> 	<h07vY-7fk-13@×××××××××××××.it>
> 	<h088G-8nx-5@×××××××××××××.it>
>
> The X-Original-References: line has the correct message id as the last
> one in the list.  This absolutely correct, which means that Claws-Mail
> is doing the right thing.
>
> The References: line has some really weird replacements for the ones
> that were originally in the message I submitted.  Unless list messages
> are being assigned different message id's for different distribution
> mechanisms (SMTP/POP3 and NNTP), this means the list server is broken.
> This would be a third, and more pernicious, source of thread breakage.
>
> In my previous reply to this message, I changed the Subject: line
> slightly: I removed the "Was OT: website design" tail.  This caused the
> thread to break in my MUA too.  In turn, this implies that Claws was
> "wallpapering over the crack" by rejoining the thread using Subject:
> and Date: headers to put the messages into chronological sequence
> within Subject: text grouping.  I suspect other MUAs are doing the same,
> which is why the problem is not perceived more widely.
>
> I now need to change my subscription details so that I receive messages
> by email, as well as through Usenet.  This will then tell me if message
> id's are the same across delivery mechanisms or different.
>
> Are we all confused enough for this weekend? ... :-)

Ha, ha!  I'm more than others it seems!

Also have a look at gmane.  Some of your responses (and Indi's) are broken.
-- 
Regards,
Mick