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On 8/27/20 10:11 PM, Dale wrote: |
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> james wrote: |
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>> https://blogs.gentoo.org/mgorny/2020/08/25/is-an-umbrella-organization-a-good-choice-for-gentoo/ |
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>> Surely some of the business/legal savvy folks want to "chime in" on |
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>> Sir Gorny's proposal? |
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>> I just read this on 'hacker news' |
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>> It just sounds like mostly a lack of fund raising to operate? |
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>> James |
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> There's several issues that lead to this.� For ages, the financial books |
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> were not kept up to date.� From what I recall, some paperwork was lost |
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> which made it difficult to impossible to do the needed IRS filings. |
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> Things on that part seemed to snowball from there.� In the past few |
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> years or so, that has been dealt with and from what I've read, it is now |
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> up to date and they are trying to get back in good standing with the IRS |
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> and other Govt entities.� I think I read where most of the hard work as |
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> already been done, just needs time to kick in.� It isn't hard to get |
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> into that situation, it just takes one year with a mistake to trigger |
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> bad things.� It takes a lot of work to get it cleared up tho.� All of us |
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> should be grateful to the ones who put in the hard work to get that |
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> taken care of.� I'm sure it took a lot of effort and time to get that |
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> done.� I'm sure it was boring as heck to do as well.� Some of us would |
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> likely have no hair left. |
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> Another issue, not many want to run the foundation.� The devs mostly |
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> want to write code.� They aren't to much interested in running the |
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> foundation part of it.� A few do because it is needed and they do their |
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> best, some even go far beyond that, but they really want to write code. |
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> That's what developers came to Gentoo for after all. Since there is two |
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> different bodies that run Gentoo in different ways, it further reduces |
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> the number of people wanting to do the job.� The foundation part is from |
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> my understanding, bureaucratic paperwork.� Who wants to do that for |
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> free?� There's not many. Basically, if you run for a position on the |
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> foundation, it's good odds you get it because usually just enough run to |
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> fill the open spots.� I often wonder, do they draw straws to pick people |
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> to run just so things keep chugging along??� LOL |
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> Then there is the costs.� It costs to deal with all the paperwork and |
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> filings.� There's state filings as well as federal.� Missing either of |
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> those can cause trouble for the other and also get expensive and time |
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> consuming to correct.� Again, very few want to deal with it.� The few |
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> that do likely do it because Gentoo needs it not because they are |
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> jumping up and down wanting to do it.� It's what keeps Gentoo going. |
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> It's cheaper to join some other group like has been talked about for |
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> years and let them take a percentage of the money and them as |
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> professionals handle all that nasty paperwork and filings. |
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> My personal opinion.� I'm still leaning to keep Gentoo as it is but I'm |
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> not the one doing all the boring work either.� My concern, Gentoo joins |
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> some group and it ends badly for Gentoo.� Maybe they screw up something |
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> and that puts Gentoo and maybe everyone else in the group in jeopardy |
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> with govt entities or lawsuits.� On the other hand, if Gentoo doesn't |
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> have the right people, they could do the same thing to themselves.� The |
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> people who do run for those seats do try their best even if something |
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> goes wrong.� Thing is, it doesn't take much to run afoul of govt |
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> entities or trigger a lawsuit. Gentoo has been lucky in that regard. |
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> There is no easy answer to this.� Either way has advantages.� Same can |
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> be said for disadvantages as well. |
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> I'm sure there is more that isn't known to the public and I'm sure some |
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> things are escaping my mind at the moment.� Either way, whatever keeps |
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> Gentoo going and successful, that is what needs to be done.� Since I |
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> don't have a crystal ball, I'm not sure which is best long term. |
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> Now someone add more to this.� ;-) |
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> Dale |
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> :-)� :-) |
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The referenced article says this: |
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"Right now we�re already relying on a CPA to handle our filings. For a |
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commercial company (we are one now), the cost is $1500 a year." |
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Seems way too high. I pay $500/yr for a C corp here in Florida; a firm |
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that that is "outstanding" with the US IRS. |
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"If we wanted to go for proper non-profit, the estimated cost is between |
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$2000 and $3000 a year." |
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Still seems way to high. With Gentoo, we can use Any state, so why not |
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move the home to a low cost state? |
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Many corps use Delaware, just for that reason. |
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"If we were to pass full accounting to an external company, the rough |
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estimate I�ve been given by Trustees is $2400. So once our volunteer |
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bookkeeper retires, we�re talking of around $4000 + larger taxes for a |
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corporation, or $4500 to $5500 + very little taxes for a non-profit." |
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Again, these numbers are WAY TOO HIGH. Shop around! |
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Many states are way less expensive. |
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Ok so ask why don't I volunteer? I've been using gentoo, since 2002. I |
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have made many enemies, because of my views on the whole "install" |
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abortion. WE could easily help another loosely coupled, gentoo |
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derivative distro |
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create a robust, easy install system, whilst leaving "Gentoo Proper" as |
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an enclave for the brilliant. |
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It there were agreement to that sort "diatribe", enthusiastically, THEN |
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I could help the trustee situation, and help bring in lots of cash to |
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pay devs for what every reason the technical leaders decide. |
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CoreOS, gentoo-install (Mike Mol), CloverOS, and dozens and dozens (over |
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the years) have solved this problem, bot did not receive any love or |
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praise from the Gentoo devs...... |
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So, if Gentoo wants money, as a charity, it is so simple, it hurts. BUT |
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a few things have to change (non-negotiable)! |
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I've done this too many times with dozens of folks. ALL are |
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multi-millionaires. MONEY is easy, but it does come with strings |
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(actually very few for something like gentoo). The current situation is |
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pathetic and easy to fix. Be warned, when it comes to money, and I am on |
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the responsibility chain, I tend to be a bit dictatorial. Once the money |
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starts flowing in, I'd look to hand things off to a much younger techie, |
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so he(she) can build there resume and I can drift back into oblivion, |
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in a cabin, in the woods....... |
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For me, it just breaks my heart to see Gentoo needed to have one of our |
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(currently) awesome coders have to "prostrate" himself publicly like |
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this. But, if a broken system/leadership is broken, then that is the |
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sign things need to change. This has been a recurring situation, for 2 |
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decades now. Just look around, most other distros have so much 'action' |
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going on, they are rolling in cabbage. |
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Perhaps the Gentoo council members ought to engage the gentoo-user list, |
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directly? Surely others would have solution, very viable, to what I have |
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proposed? |
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The second thing I'd do, if on the council, is have a direct program for |
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High School age kids to use Gentoo to become entrepreneurs. That's |
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right, how to form a C-corp, write some codes and start receiving funds |
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directly into their C-corp. Minimum goal? Self Funding for Secondary |
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education. Learn Business via gentoo, and coding "from the masters" aka |
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gentoo devs. |
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There are tons of methods for young entrepreneurs to access funding and |
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grants, if you "get your house in order". For that, it means a simple |
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Rasp. Pi. 4 sourcecode install? The microprocessor companies would line |
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up to build boards, for these kids. EASY as PIE! |
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Be Bold and Be Bad_ass, if you want to live and prosper in this day and age. |
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painfully, |
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James |