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From: godzil <godzil@××××××.net>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Regular v Ordinary
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 13:06:25
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In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Regular v Ordinary by Peter Humphrey
1 Le 2014-04-30 12:47, Peter Humphrey a écrit :
2 > On Wednesday 30 Apr 2014 10:21:11 godzil wrote:
3 >
4 >> I suspect that your habits for "regular" or "ordinary" came from
5 >> French,
6 >> where the first translation of regular is "régulier", "habituel" which
7 >> mean that it is something is a habits.
8 >>
9 >> And "ordinary" will be translate to "ordinaire" that have the means of
10 >> "common", "standard".
11 >>
12 >> I know that some difference from UK and US English come from the
13 >> nearby
14 >> European country (mostly France) (i.e: colour vs color, behaviour vs
15 >> behavior, etc.)
16 >
17 > Yes, true, except that "habits" is not the right word: "usage" would be
18 > better, which in this context in English means "custom".
19 >
20
21 Thanks
22
23 > Countries being adjacent is not the explanation. I haven't seen an
24 > authority
25 > on this, but I believe that a good half of English words come from
26 > French (as
27 > a result of the most recent invasion of these islands in 1066), most of
28 > the
29 > rest coming from Latin and Greek. (That's now largely forgotten in USA,
30 > where
31 > efforts are now directed at absorbing German, Italian and Spanish.)
32 > There's a
33 > smattering of words from India and other parts of the Empire as well.
34 > Hardly
35 > any from Italian or Spanish, which accounts for a lot of differences
36 > between
37 > American and English.
38 >
39 Yes that true, lots of English words came from old French, and funnily
40 some word that were "lost" goes back into French :)
41 But I don't agree, on the origin of "Old English" it is more a
42 germano-celtic language than a latino-greek one. French clearly come
43 from Latin and Old Greek, like Spanish or Italian. On the contrary, the
44 German language have nearly no roots in Latin and Greek.
45
46 > The spelling differences you mention are I think a result of attempts
47 > to
48 > "simplify" the language by your founding fathers.
49
50 Wikipedia have a nice article on this:
51 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences
52 (I tried to read it, but now my head is hurting!)
53
54 > Similarly, today, sentence
55 > structure is changing, with a wholesale ditching of previously useful
56 > tenses
57 > and, for instance, an insistence on putting adverbs before their verbs.
58 > Are
59 > those German influences? And why do so many insist on a single word
60 > never being
61 > both a noun and a verb (use, usage)? What do you do with "compact",
62 > which can
63 > be noun, verb or adjective?
64 >
65 > I could go on, but I'd better not :-)

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