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On 10/11/2015 21:07, Stanislav Nikolov wrote: |
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> On 11/10/2015 08:55 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: |
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>> On 10/11/2015 20:37, Stanislav Nikolov wrote: |
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>>> On 11/10/2015 08:17 PM, Mick wrote: |
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>>>> On Tuesday 10 Nov 2015 17:47:08 Stanislav Nikolov wrote: |
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>>>>> Dear Gentoo users, |
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>>>>> I'm building a new PC. I have a budget of ~$550-$650. No GPU, no special |
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>>>>> case (I may use a card box), not even a hdd or ssd. So, as you can see, |
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>>>>> it's pretty much "get the best CPU and mobo/ram that are compatible with |
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>>>>> it". The problem is, which is the best one. By "best" I mean to compile |
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>>>>> shit fast. My laptop with 3rd gen i5 compiles firefox for 40 minutes on |
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>>>>> average. |
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>>>>> The most expensive Intel CPU is the skylake i7-6700k. But is it the best? |
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>>>>> Is there something from AMD that will perform even better? I can't find |
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>>>>> any benchmarks with AMD/Intel CPUs. And how much does the mobo matter? |
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>>>>> Will a cheap $30 400W PSU power that thing? |
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>>>>> Thanks |
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>>>> I don't (yet) own a i7-6700k, but my 6 year old laptop with (1st generation) |
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>>>> i7 Q720 @1.60GHz takes slightly less than yours: |
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>>>> Sat Oct 3 14:35:40 2015 >>> www-client/firefox-38.3.0 |
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>>>> merge time: 36 minutes and 53 seconds. |
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>>>> Fri Nov 6 09:10:06 2015 >>> www-client/firefox-38.4.0 |
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>>>> merge time: 38 minutes and 8 seconds. |
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>>>> In contrast a year old AMD A10-7850K APU is significantly faster: |
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>>>> Sat Oct 3 19:40:48 2015 >>> www-client/firefox-38.3.0 |
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>>>> merge time: 17 minutes and 42 seconds. |
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>>>> Fri Nov 6 08:41:02 2015 >>> www-client/firefox-38.4.0 |
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>>>> merge time: 18 minutes and 18 seconds. |
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>>>> I would also be interested to see compile times of more modern i7s and FXs, |
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>>>> but bear in mind that in single core operations Intel is these days |
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>>>> significantly better than AMD. |
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>>> So, I shouldn't prepare for a 8x times faster compile time... :( |
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>> I can't help but think you are approaching this from the wrong perspective. |
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>> Why exactly are you using compile times as your sole criterion? Are you |
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>> building a compile farm for Ubuntu? Running continuous integration tests |
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>> for LibreOffice [on a $600 budget in a cardboard box :-) ]? |
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>> Or do you want emerge world to get it over with quicker? |
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>> If the latter, you better rethink your priorities. In computing terms, |
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>> compilation is a rare event; launching apps is a common event; and |
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>> writing to the disk happens all the time. Optimize for the common case. |
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>> A CPU never works in isolation, it is always part of a much larger |
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>> system, like disks, RAM and all possible kinds of I/O. The best CPU on |
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>> the market plugged into a POS motherboard will perform on emerge world |
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>> like a piece of shit - it will follow the weakest link. |
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>> If you want to build a compiling machine, buy the best collection of |
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>> stuff that works together well and still fits the budget. If you want a |
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>> machine that you can use and be happy with, ignoree the temptation to |
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>> must have the biggest baddest fastest CU (you will never get to use all |
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>> that big bad fast) and invest rather in gobs of RAM and an SSD. Remember |
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>> that apps are launched many times more than they are compiled. Or put |
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>> another way, sacrifice compilation times t get something you can use. |
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> 8GB of RAM are waaay more than I use daily (several firefox tabs, nvim = 2Gb max), I have a pretty fast SSD too. Even buying 8GB RAM and a brand new SSD, I have > $450 left. Can I buy a AMD CPU that will get the job done faster than 6700k and/or cheaper? |
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That changes things. It wasn't obvious you already had RAM & SSD & stuff. |
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I'd first make sure I have a decent PSU - none of that crap puny |
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el-cheapo $300 shit (search list archives for 1000s of posts about dodgy |
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PSUs). Then split the difference between 8G RAM, a good CPU and an |
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excellent motherboard. You will use that extra RAM, and a motherboard |
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that ties all the bits together properly is much more cost-effective |
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than raw CPU grunt alone. |
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Alan McKinnon |
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