Re: [gentoo-user] Re: HTML5 player (YouTube) is a pain!...Alternatives?

[J. Roeleveld]

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 07:55:11 AM Meino.Cramer@×××.de wrote:
> J. Roeleveld <joost@××××××××.org> [16-11-30 07:28]:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 07:08:45 AM Meino.Cramer@×××.de wrote:
> > > J. Roeleveld <joost@××××××××.org> [16-11-30 06:48]:
> > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 05:33:15 AM Meino.Cramer@×××.de wrote:
> > > > > Kai Krakow <hurikhan77@×××××.com> [16-11-30 05:08]:
> > > > > > Am Tue, 29 Nov 2016 07:42:16 +0100
> > > > > >
> > > > > > schrieb Meino.Cramer@×××.de:
> > > > > > > I get sick of this [CESNORED] HTML5 stuff coming from YouTube!
> > > > > > > Most of the videos while playayaingnaying arereare
> > > > > > > stututterutering
> > > > > > > liiklike helellell.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I tested a lot of HTML5 addons to fix that problem and googled
> > > > > > > around the world but nothing helps. The only thing I found is an
> > > > > > > iconic sentence, which is true in this case also:
> > > > > > > "You are not alone...!".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there any way to feed the stream from youtube direktly into
> > > > > > > a not blown player like mpv/mplayer or such (I would prefer
> > > > > > > not to load a complete gui (vlc) with any click again and
> > > > > > > again.)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For me it was just the other way around. HTML5 mode played much
> > > > > > (very
> > > > > > much!) more smooth than flash player. I opted in early by that
> > > > > > time
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > switching YT to HTML5 player. This was for Chrome, of course,
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > by that time Firefox wasn't really compatible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You probably really should check your graphics stack. If you have
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > least somewhat decent machine (something which was built during
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > last 5 years), you should have absolutely no problems playing
> > > > > > videos
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > the HTML5 player. Even my aging machine in the office (which
> > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > play smooth videos in the flash player) runs full HD streaming
> > > > > > videos
> > > > > > smoothly in the HTML5 player - no stuttering, no blocking, no
> > > > > > framedrops. This was different with the flash player which looked
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > it dropped every second frame in fullscreen mode - but at least it
> > > > > > did
> > > > > > not stutter due to that "optimization".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe give some information about your graphics stack and
> > > > > > configuration...
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Kai,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that the hardware is not the problem, since downloading the
> > > > > video and playing it offline had resulted in no problems ever...
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Meino
> > > >
> > > > Meino,
> > > >
> > > > In one of your other emails, you mentioned that your ADSL is incapable
> > > > of
> > > > providing the full-HD stream.
> > > > This could easily be the cause for the issues you are having with
> > > > HTML5
> > > > video as well. Maybe look into cache-options?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Joost
> > >
> > > Joost,
> > >
> > > did this (~/.config/mpv/mpv.config) with no positive effect.
> > > I decreased the video resolution to <1280 (again via mpv.conf) which
> > > helps to some degree.
> > > Interesting is: It hangs always a the same points in the video if
> > > playing the same video with different configurations.
> > >
> > > I called mpv with an url form the commandline and indeed it shows
> > > "playing video" and "buffering" (at this point it hangs) alternateing.
> > >
> > > The FF problem was not only hangs but something like the following
> > > sentence:
> > >
> > > Thehe quiquickkckick bkrowownwn foxoxfoxx joxujumumpjumpsumps
> > > oveovrver thhehe lazazylazyzy dogog
> > >
> > > Somehow three steps forward and two backwards. The audio was never
> > > effected though.
> > >
> > > With "Play with mpv" it """"only"""" hangs.
> > >
> > > Do I really need an new DSL contract with my provider becayse
> > > FF has switched to HTML5 only?
> > >
> > > Can't be...or?
> >
> > It depends. (seriously)
> >
> > What you describe is what I get when I'm using my mobile connection with
> > bad reception. In other words, it does sound like a bandwidth issue.
> >
> > Dave solves that by downloading the files and then watching it locally.
> >
> > What kind of bandwidth (up and down) do you have? And what else is using
> > that connection while you are trying to watch a video?
> >
> > I don't think it's HTML5 at fault, the same amount of data needs to be
> > transfered, but it might be that HTML5 is less bandwidth efficient than
> > Flash.
> >
> > I don't seem to have flash installed on my current machine and am using
> > FF45.5. In there, with Youtube, I do get the option to change the
> > resolution on the video-streams. Don't you get that?
> >
> > --
> > Joost
>
> I checked the current bandwidth (07:48 am local time) with this
> http://speedcheck.vodafone.de/
>
> and got:
> 	2,1 Mbps download
> 	0,1 Mbps upload
>     58 ms latency (ping test)
>
> There is no other kind of task which consumes bandwidth
> (while checking the above or while streaming videos)

0,1 Mbps upload...
This is really small. If there is a process that is uploading with 50Kbps 
(=0,05Mbps), you will loose HALF of your download.
And 50Kbps is achieved really quickly.

With this, I would kill any application that might use the internet, like 
email.

Anything less then 10Mbps down / 1Mbps up would not even be considered by me.

> Another (real odd) possibillitu would be: Someone has
> hijacked my DSL modem (its no router) - its an older
> Fritz! box.

That's always possible. But unless there is a massive DDOS going on right now, 
I don't think that would be of any use.

Do you use a network cable or wireless during tests?

--
Joost