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On 09/28/2013 12:31 PM, Dale wrote: |
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> William Hubbs wrote: |
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>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 07:32:20PM -0500, Bruce Hill wrote: |
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>>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:57:06PM -0500, Dale wrote: |
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>>>> Bruce Hill wrote: |
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>>>>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:33:02PM -0500, Dale wrote: |
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>>>>>> I'm hoping that since I use eudev, I don't have to worry about this. |
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>>>>>> If I do, this could get interesting, again. Dale |
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>>>>> Do you have /usr separate from / ? |
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>>>> Yep. From my understanding tho, eudev is not supposed to be affected by |
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>>>> this problem tho. |
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>>>> |
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>>>> One reason for this being seperate, I have / and /boot on a regular |
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>>>> partition and everything else on LVM. Sometimes that /usr gets a bit |
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>>>> full. It's not so bad after I moved all the portage stuff out and put |
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>>>> it in /var. Now I have to watch /var too. lol |
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>>>> |
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>>>> Dale |
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>>> |
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>>> You need to read the blog post listed in the news item, as it's not just |
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>>> specific to udev anymore. |
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>> Bruce is correct; This issue is not specific to udev/eudev/mdev. |
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>> I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is |
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>> unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev specifically for |
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>> this. It is true that it does things that don't work if /usr isn't |
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>> mounted, but eudev does as well, since it is basically the same code. |
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>> If you read flameeyes' blog post, you will get a better idea of what the |
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>> issue involves. It is the entire boot process and how to deal with which |
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>> software is considered critical for booting. |
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>> There is no reason to rebuild your server; we aren't telling you you |
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>> have to merge /usr into /. The only thing we are saying is that you will |
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>> need to use an initramfs if you are going to keep them separate. |
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>> I have a pretty simple setup, but I have been using an initramfs which I |
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>> built some time ago with genkernel and I barely know it is there. |
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>> I recommend that you familiarize yourself with genkernel or dracut and |
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>> build an initramfs. Since nothing is changing until at least |
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>> Nov 1, you can test your initramfs by adding an entry to your boot |
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>> loader configuration that uses it and get it set up correctly while you |
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>> can still fall back on booting without it. |
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>> I do not recommend that anyone who has separate /usr "do nothing" at |
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>> this point. Please re-read the second paragraph of the news item. |
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>> Thanks, |
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>> |
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>> William |
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>> |
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> |
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> One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before Gentoo, I used |
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> Mandrake. It had a init thingy. It caused me much grief and is one |
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> reason I left Mandrake. I also didn't like the upgrade process either |
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> but one reason I chose Gentoo is no init thingy. I wanted to be rid of |
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> that. Now, whether it is udev or not, here comes that stupid init |
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> thingy just because someone doesn't want to put files where they should |
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> be which is not inside /usr. |
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> |
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> So, given my history with the init thingy, if I do use a init thingy and |
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> it fails for whatever reason, I'll be installing something else. I done |
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> went down the road of trying to fix one of those stupid things and I |
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> have no plan or desire to do so again. I'm also not going to spend |
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> hours reinstalling Gentoo either. If, more than likely when, the init |
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> thingy fails, I'll be installing something else and I'll most my last |
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> sign off message here. One thing about Linux, there are plenty of |
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> distros to pick from . I love Gentoo but I like to be able to boot up |
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> without dealing with a init thingy that I have to fix when it goes belly |
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> up. |
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> |
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> Dale |
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> :-) :-) |
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> |
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> -- |
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> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or |
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> how you interpreted my words! |
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> |
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The best path for you seems to be a merge of / and /usr. I asked Alan |
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how to do this since he seemed knowledgeable about it. If he replies, |
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maybe his advice will be handy and save you a lot of trouble. It seems |
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clear to me that you want to avoid trouble, but looking at your options, |
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putting /usr in / is probably the least painful thing you can do, and it |
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won't require an initramfs. I don't like initramfs's either, but that's |
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because I'm lazy and don't like maintaining more than two things (kernel |
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and GRUB config) in order to boot. |
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Other distros use initramfs's for the most part, and more and more are |
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using systemd. Gentoo is pretty much one of the last distros that |
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supports booting without an initramfs and without systemd. |
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