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On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:17 PM, James` <wireless@×××××××××××.com> wrote: |
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> Jc García <jyo.garcia <at> gmail.com> writes: |
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>> > I'm not saying push one over the other, but explain and delineate |
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>> > that choice |
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>> > *early* in the handbook. WE owe the larger linux community that wisdom:: |
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>> > that gentoo has made peace with systemd and openrc:: imho. |
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>> OpenRC is there on the stage3, systemd isn't, if you don't think about |
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>> systemd you get an OpenRC installation, I think it would confuse more |
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>> people to talk about choosing init system(especially noobs) right at |
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>> the beginning of the handbook. |
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> I think during the installation (before the reboot) lots of software |
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> can be installed or removed. So that means that systemd and companion |
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> packages are part of the installation. And systemd is a choice during the |
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> profile selection part of an installation. |
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I think the systemd install instructions really need to be folded into |
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the main handbook. Otherwise you end up doing the two in parallel. I |
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just went through the btrfs raid1 install both with openrc and systemd |
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and found all of three lines where anything is done differently |
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(though I didn't get into setting up network, logging, enabling |
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services, etc). Just picking a profile is really 90% of it. |
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Long-term there is discussion of removing sysvinit+openrc from the |
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stage3 and just making installing it a step like installing your |
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favorite logger or cron or MTA implementation. There is really only |
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one blocker I'm aware of for doing this - which is fixing shell |
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scripts which reference a deprecated functions.sh that was part of |
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openrc previously (it has nothing to do with openrc functionally). |
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Installing sysvinit and openrc would be really simple and fast |
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(certainly faster than systemd), and it could of course be pulled in |
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by a profile just as systemd is. Or maybe it stays in the stage3 but |
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is pulled in as a default for a virtual, so that it gets depcleaned |
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after installing systemd. There wouldn't be any blockers either way, |
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so anybody who wants both installed could still do so. |
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Gentoo is about choice, and we try to make most of our decisions |
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pragmatically. Defaults are just defaults, and where it is reasonable |
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we try not to even have defaults. In fact, if you're running a chroot |
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or container install, you might not want any init implementation |
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installed (though both systemd and openrc are being designed to run |
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inside containers if desired). |
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Rich |
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