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On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Alan Mackenzie <acm@×××.de> wrote: |
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> 'evening, Mark. |
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> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:41:01PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: |
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>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff <yks-uno@××××××.ru> wrote: |
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>> > In the end, I humbly believe it's up to me to judge what effect there is for |
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>> > me on my computers. |
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>> Yes, that's exactly the point. Scroll up and reread this thread, |
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>> though, and you'll get the impression that some complainers seem to |
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>> think that Lennart is breaking into their systems and magickally |
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>> installing his 175-year old software in them. What's this about 100% |
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>> of the users being "forced" to have pulseaudio in? |
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> Somebody reported that pulseaudio is an absolute requirement for Gnome |
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>>=3.8. That may not be 100% of users, but the "forced" is certainly |
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> there. |
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If you don't like it, don't upgrade. Or fork it. Complain if the older |
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ebuild gets taken out of the tree. Form a community that doesn't like |
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it and maintain the older one. Use one of the variants that don't have |
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it as a default. Use XFCE. Use mate. Use some minimal tiling window |
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manager. Use cinnamon. Patch it so that it doesn't need it. Wait for |
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someone to supply an ebuild that has a patch (do you know just how |
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many custom patches gentoo has? A _LOT_) that allows you to disable |
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it. Wait for someone to supply a PPA that has a patch that has it |
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disabled. Pay someone to maintain such a ppa. Find another hobby |
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besides building customized systems that you don't customize. |
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You have a TON of choices that don't involve turning the GNOME team |
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into your unpaid slave labor. |
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Here's what I predict. Every time I google "gnome 3.8 required |
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pulseaudio", I just get circular references to this thread. The damned |
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rumor hasn't even been confirmed. Whatever. |
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If true, 3.8 is going to cause a wildly popular uproar to maintain a |
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nopulse patch which will be enabled in the 3.8 ebuilds and maintained |
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by the poor Gentoo gnome team. Gnome won't accept it, but Gentoo will |
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ship it, and you don't have to do Jack to get it running. You won't |
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even buy the maintainers a beer for the effort. |
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If false - oh wait, Gnome 3.8 is already working on openbsd, so it's |
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got to be false. Or is that another out of tree patch? Whatever. The |
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GNOME team still remains evil oppressors who take the choice away from |
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everyone. Because of a rumor you guys started. |
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> It was me that started this thread, and me that needed that info. Why |
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> do you have to be so disparaging about the process of learning? |
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Disparaging about the process of learning? |
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Take a good look at my first entry in this thread. A simple suggestion |
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on a simple technical question. The more I read it the more obvious it |
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becomes to me that some of the participants are more interested in a |
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ricing contest with other distros than, say, learning what pulseaudio |
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does. Case in point: I flat out told you two things it does and you |
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acted like you were still waiting for an answer. |
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Here, let me repeat myself in case you really are interested in learning. |
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>> It's a sane idea for a desktop distro to include pulse as a -default-. |
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>> No, seriously, it is. Just, frigging bluetooth headsets. |
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> Do you frig bluetooth headsets? Can't say I do. |
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Bluetooth headsets are a damned good reason to default pulseaudio for |
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-desktop oriented systems-. |
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>> And per-application volume control. |
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Per application volume control is a damned good reason to default |
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pulseaudio for -desktop oriented systems-. |
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Oh but you still don't have to... Yeah, I also answered that already. |
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>> Are there other ways to go about |
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>> it? Yeah. It remains to be seen how any of them are an order of |
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>> magnitude better than pulse. You don't -like- it? Fine. There's no |
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>> point in going on on some tirade about how the poor, oppressed 99% of |
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>> users could have been doing just fine with ALSA |
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And the hilarious thing is it turns out that whatever was causing your |
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problem wasn't even pulseaudio to begin with. It was just a convenient |
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scapegoat since bashing Lennart is so goddamned fashionable nowadays. |
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