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From: Alex Schuster <wonko@×××××××××.org>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye, Gentoo
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 12:32:47
1 Alan McKinnon writes:
3 > Apparently, though unproven, at 01:28 on Friday 27 May 2011, Kevin
4 > O'Gorman did opine thusly:
5 > > It looks like it's time to take Gentoo off of my main machine. I feel
6 > > a little sad about it, or I'd just quietly go away.
7 >
8 > I know how you feel :-)
9 >
10 > I've tried to get away from Gentoo several times, and failed. The amount
11 > of work we all put into keeping things working is best described as "bat
12 > shit crazy", but we do it anyway. Maybe it's like a drug thing, we all
13 > need a daily fix or we need to prove we can still do it.
15 I tried various distros (SuSE, Debian, Mandrake, Libranet, RedHat), but when
16 I started using Gentoo, I was hooked. No fancy shmancy GUIs that hide what's
17 really going on beneath, and that often enough have their own bugs so that
18 it's easier to not use them. Rolling updates, no fear that upgrades mess up
19 everything. Good documentation, that explains what has do be done and why,
20 instead of just telling me what to do and where to click.
22 Yes, Gentoo means a lot of work to do. But for me it's less than before, all
23 in all. And I can fix many things myself. When I had trouble with other
24 distros, I was often unable so find a solution, apart from waiting for the
25 next release. Which introduced new problems.
27 I installed some Ubuntus recently, that's supposed to be very easy to use,
28 but not for me. The default install medium does not know much about LVM, I
29 had to fetch an alternate install medium for this. After all updates were
30 done, I ran into an old bug that killed all initramfs images after
31 installing a new kernel. I found some threads of users who had no clue what
32 to do now, in my case even older kernels were affected. It was simple to
33 fix, but not for inexperienced users who had no clue what to do, apart from
34 waiting for some Linux guy to help them or re-install. NIS and automount
35 stuff sometimes fails, I was not able to find the cause for this, despite
36 many threads mentioning this. Sometimes a simple reboot solves this,
37 sometimes not. I have no clue.
39 It seems to work well on standard desktop systems, though. If the default is
40 fine for you, Ubuntu is not bad I think. easier to set up, easier to
41 maintain. But then I installed it on a notebook with little RAM, and ran
42 into various problems. The installer even crashed once. I use Linux a lot, I
43 administer some Linux servers, but I felt too stupid to install Ubuntu and
44 WLAN via ndiswrapper.
46 And then there's things happening like the packet manager front-end refusing
47 to start because the automatic update notification is still active, and only
48 once instance of a package manager can be running at a time. Okay, this is
49 not a big problem, just close the other application (or kill it, if another
50 user has it open). But hey, with portage I can not only run queries while
51 another portage process is running, I can even do it while emerge is
52 installing things, and nowadays I can even have multiple emerges run in
53 parallel without trouble. I got used to this.
55 BTW, in the past when I used Debian (ten years ago), it happened for two
56 times that apt (the package manager) got corrupted and no longer worked. I
57 didn't even know what I did wrong, in one case I was only following advice
58 others gave me. The mailing list was no help at all, they suggested to
59 simply re-install. Oh my, how I hate to do so and to configure everything
60 again. And wait for the problems to happens again.
62 My Mom's new PC would get Ubuntu, as I do not want to spend too much time
63 installing, and because she doesn't need much special configuring. But I
64 think I will try ArchLinux which I heard good things of, but did not try
65 yet.
67 Wonko


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Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye, Gentoo Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com>