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First of all - try to configure X-es by hald. If this don't work on |
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Your arch, try revert to xorg.conf. I have Intel GMA965 card and it |
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work's ideal. |
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If You say about web clients, that You hate them - it's yours right. |
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I like it, because of 396 firm contacts on my contact book connected |
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to them files, tasks and events in calendar, notes, divided between |
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couple groups. I like it because of linking things together and it's |
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safer when You travel with Your laptop (server is mine so I decide |
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when upgrade and configure app). I've integrated it remote with |
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blackberry ;) so it's nice tool together. |
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Chromium is very stable now. Half year ago there was a difference |
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with exploding cards and flash. Now it works great. |
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As You say about FTP's and Delphin - set Your default file manager to |
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Konqueror. I don't like delphin. In me is stagnation after KDE 3.x - |
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if it work's so why provide something different again from scratch? |
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That's all for now what I can say. If I find more time, I read Your |
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whole mail and post some info about things I know. |
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Greet's |
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At Wtorek, 29-06-2010 on 16:23 Alex Schuster wrote: |
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Mateusz Mierzwiński writes: |
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> I have KDE4. It work's perfect. |
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Whooo, now at least this sounds good! |
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> Try set "Custom-cxxflags" to off, |
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> maybe this will help. From my opinion KDE and QT 4 don't like |
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> customized C/CXX Flags, such as fomit-frame-pointer and similar. |
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I have: |
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CFLAGS="-march=k8-sse3 -mfpmath=sse -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" |
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AFAIK -fomit-frame-pointer should be perfectly safe, at the only cost |
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of |
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making debugging harder. I already thought about removing it anyway, |
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so my |
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bug reports will make more sense. BTW, does anyone know _how_ _much_ |
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this |
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flag is suposed to seed things up, is it even noticeable? |
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And then I just loked at the Safe CFLAGS page [*], and it says: |
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The flag -fomit-frame-pointer is enabled at -O1, -O2, -O3 and -Os |
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on |
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arches where it doesn't interfere with debugging, such as AMD64, |
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but not |
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x86. So if you're on x86 you should add it to your CFLAGS. |
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About -mfpmath=sse: I think I enabled it after a discussion about |
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what - |
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march=native would do. Now the gcc documentation [2] says: |
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For the i386 compiler, you need to use -march=cpu-type, -msse or |
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-msse2 |
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switches to enable SSE extensions and make this option effective. |
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For |
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the x86-64 compiler, these extensions are enabled by default. |
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So I will turn off both -mfpmath=sse and -fomit-frame-pointer, but it |
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would change nothing. |
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> Try to set correct USE flags |
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They should be okay I think... |
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> and first of all - add DBUS to default runlevel if Your "Welcome" |
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screen |
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> don't work - it works for me. |
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I once had this problem, but now DBUS is in the default runlevel. |
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> You should also have Hald for X.org configuration. |
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Do you mean I should configure X via the /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ that |
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will be |
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obsolete soon? I have the hal USE flag set, but X is configured by |
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xorg.conf only. |
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> BTW. I don't use any desktop mail client - I've chosen GroupOffice |
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> for web client with IMAP support and great tool for my work - safer |
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> because of laptop disk crashes or similar - data is stored external |
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> and it's delivered by OpenVPN with certificate nad data encryption. |
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Uh, I just hate web clients. That's what I have a desktop environment |
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for, |
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with consistent looking applications, shortcuts, drag&drop and what |
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else. |
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I am using kmail with IMAP over SSL. |
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> Chromium as major web browser, |
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I tried chromium once, about half a year ago, but it crashed |
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instantly. |
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Emerging it again. But I like Konqueror very much. It has problems |
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with |
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some web sites, for those I use Firefox. I am missing some of |
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Firefox' |
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plugins, and it works much better with the new flash, but over all I |
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like |
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Konqueror's behaviour better. Maybe I could change Firefox behaviour |
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in |
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the advanced settings, I did not look into this yet. And from time to |
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time |
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Friefox also gives me trouble, and I have to remove my profile |
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directory |
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to make it start again. |
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Chromium is built, and seems to work. Oh, it's fast. And uses few |
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memory. |
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And even has web shortcuts, that's great. And flash just works, while |
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konquerro has major problems with it. |
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> Subversion integrated with KDE, Wicd |
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> as network configuration daemon. Also Kadu as IM, wine + winamp, |
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> OpenOffice. Not installed Compiz for now, but I have it on my |
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plans. |
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Here: CVS via command line, static network configuration, kopete, |
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Amarok |
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(which I find beautiful), occasionally OpenOffice. |
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> Login screen works great, loading is realy fast. Only one problem |
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> with Bluetooth but i think it's device fault - device USB connector |
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> broken. Everyday working with dual-head 2 monitors - KDE 4 detects |
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> when I connect another monitor, soundcard and Xine integration into |
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> phonon works with no glitches. Other tools like SSH/SFTP integrated |
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> into konqueror works great - konqueror itself also perfect! |
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Ah, so you DO like konqueror! Great. |
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> It's good, it's fast, it's intuitive, it's "better desktop |
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software", |
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> it's XXI century desktop environment, not such as Gnome and funny |
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> "icons trashroom" on desktop. |
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I mostly agree. If only there weren't all those little bugs. It still |
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looks quite unfinished to me. |
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Ican somehow live with these bugs, but I am not sure if I should |
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recommend |
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KDE4 for others. At my institute we are also using KDE4 now, which |
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makes |
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some things convenient. But it is bad to have nice dolphin shortcuts |
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to |
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FTP locations, and dolphin cannot read remote files when they contain |
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umlauts. And you you need to have another way of getting them. For |
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the |
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users, it might be easier to learn this second, reliable method only, |
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instead of also learning to use the more convenient one which |
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sometimes |
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does not work. |
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> Why KDE? Because i like it. Don't say that this software SUCKS, |
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> _check_Your_config_. If You have problem try to remove .kde or |
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.kde4 |
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> folder in Your home directory and recreate profile. |
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I just did this some days ago and re-created most things from |
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scratch, |
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except for kmail. That was a lot of work BTW, I spent a couple of |
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hours |
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doing that. Some things are fixed indeed, but most problems persist. |
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BTW, I had made some screenshots of my desktops after this, when most |
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things were set up again as I like them. |
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http://www.wonkology.org/comp/desktop/2010-06-19/ |
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And I recently switched from ~x86 to ~amd64, without a change in |
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KDE4's |
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behaviour. |
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Here's a list of my current KDE bugs. There are many, fortunately |
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most of |
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them are really minor issues. |
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ANNOYING: |
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Plasma: |
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- The add plasmoids menu that opens above the panel is hard to access |
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as |
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it closes most often when I move the mouse into it. |
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- Moving a plasmoid from the panel onto the desktop is probably |
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supposed |
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to work (why else would the drag operation start at all?), but it |
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makes |
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plasma crash. Fortunately, it restarts automatically and things are |
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as |
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before, except for a minimized 'JavaEmbeddedFrame' application which |
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I |
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cannot restore or close. Whatever. |
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- The comic plasmoid refuses to show an increasing number of comics, |
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and |
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currently after login does not show any at all. And does not keep the |
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size |
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I give it. |
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- Moving and resizing plasmoids does not always work, they just plop |
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back |
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into their last position and size. After some tries, it finally |
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works, but |
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at the next login they are back to where they were sometimes. |
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Kontact: |
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- Sometimes complains at system startup that it is already running. |
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- Sometimes segfaults when closing, and does not start again until I |
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kill |
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it process manually. |
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- When adding a new contact, I sometimes cannot select an address |
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book to |
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store as the dialog shows none. Restarting kontact helps, but I have |
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to |
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fill out everything again. |
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- Probably related: all contacts sometimes all have the same |
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information |
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in them. |
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- Akonadi sometimes complains about missing resource agents when |
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logging |
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into KDE. |
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Kopete: |
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- Shows me as online, but is not. Probably related to hibernating, |
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going |
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offline and online again fixes this. |
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- Pressing the back / Forward button repeatedly and fast gives a |
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message |
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that I just received a message from that contact, and asks whether |
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the |
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chat sould really be cleared. Okay, I just pause a little (1/2 |
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second) |
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between each press, so it's no problem. But these things look to me |
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as the |
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authors of kopete did not try such things theirselves, or else they |
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would |
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have fixed them. |
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Kmail: |
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- Allows for multiple tabs, but then in these tabs new messages are |
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not |
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shown (only in the folder list). So, they added a nice feature, but |
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to |
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actually see new mails I have to close the tabs and select the folder |
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|
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again. |
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- I can not open a new tab when mails for an account are fetched. |
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- Attachements are sometimes saved with a size of 0. Bad if you do |
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not |
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check and realize this much later. has not happened for a while, it#s |
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probably fixed, but I still check just in case. |
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- The 'g' key sometimes does nothing. |
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- Sometimes the mouse is not shown inside kmail. |
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- Sometimes checks IMAP folders but never stops, aborting doe snot |
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help, |
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needs to be restarted. |
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- Once showed a mail on gentoo-user with my address, but I was not |
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the |
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author of this message. |
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- Going offline while some move operation is still pending makes it |
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hang. |
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- When searching large folders, a message appears telling me that |
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first |
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all messages of folder X have to be downloaded, and this will take |
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some |
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time. It appears for every folder (I surely had MANY of them), and |
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the 'do |
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not ask again' checkbox does not prevent this. So I spent a while |
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accepting t |
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- kmail used to save messages I was composing, and the auto-save |
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interbval |
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is still set. But when it crashes, or even if I quit it regularly, it |
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has |
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forgotten about mails I was currently composing. |
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Konqueror: |
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|
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- Also somtimes has no mouse cursor inside its window. |
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|
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- Bookmark editor still crashes sometimes |
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|
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- Sometimes shows a weird scrolling problem when scolling a page down |
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|
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works, but when dragging the slider only updates a few lines of |
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pixels at |
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the top. Opening the page in a new tab and closing the old one helps. |
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|
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- When scrolling with the mouse wheel, it sometimes srolls to the |
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right, |
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too. |
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- Seldomly when scrolling a page down, it scrolls down and down until |
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at |
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the end of the page. |
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|
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- Crashes fairly often, for example when scrolling in the shoutbox of |
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a |
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phpbb forum. I did not find such a forum with open access so I could |
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not |
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report this bug. |
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- In new tabs, the first click on a link sometimes does nothing. |
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|
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- The saved session sometimes misses a window. |
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- The saved sessino sometimes shows tabs with old content, even older |
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than |
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when the session was saved. |
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- At session startup, I get the crash recovery dialog for some of the |
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|
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konquerors which were open when I logged out last time. |
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|
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Dolphin: |
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|
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- Sometimes shows artifats that look like the shape of the preview |
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window, |
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but show other parts of the desktop. |
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|
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- Needs double logins for FTP . |
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|
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- Sometimes does not update the display after uploading files via |
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FTP. |
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|
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- Does not allow to download files with umlauts via FTP (I have to do |
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this |
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regularly) |
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|
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- Once sorted files like this: Foo-1.srt, Foo-2.avi, Foo-1.avi, |
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Foo-2.srt |
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|
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Krunner (this Alt-F2 thing): |
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|
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- Is really slow sometimes |
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|
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- Currently crashes when I enter someting. |
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Misc: |
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|
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- Knode once forgot all old messages. |
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- knotes shows the scrollbar only when the mouse is inside it, and |
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changes |
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the layout becausethe scrollbar needs additional space. Okay, really |
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not a |
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bad bug, but still it's a little annoying as things I want to mark |
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move |
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around when I enter the window. |
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|
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- Konsole lets me select other profiles only after I enable them |
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first in |
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the profile dialog. |
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|
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- kalgebra once did wrong calculations with large numbers. Fixed long |
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ago, |
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but these ar ethe kind of bugs I do not want to have. What use is a |
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calculator, when I have do double check with another one just in case |
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it |
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is wrong again? |
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|
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- KDE 3.5 had a nice print preview, but it seems there is none in KDE |
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4? |
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|
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- Nepomuk once used several gigabytes for its database. Does no |
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longer |
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happen, but then this may be because it crashes before. When logging |
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in to |
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KD, strigi starts indexing, crashes after a minute, indexes the same |
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folders again, crashes again, until it stops completely after some |
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more |
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crashes. At least now it crashes after a minute, with my old setup |
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when I |
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let it index my MP3s, it ran for days. So I have strigi desactivated. |
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|
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- Saving a session often does not work correctly, so I never ever do |
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this |
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without making a backup of my .kde4 directory. |
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|
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- The 'explosion' desktop effect when closing windows is nice, but |
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also |
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happens for the little display of current size and position that |
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appears |
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when moving a window around, and as such gets on my nerves. Yeees, |
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this is |
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really no big deal, but it's on my list of bugs anyway, and I think |
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it |
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shows that the KDE guys do not test or use these things much, or do |
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not |
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care much about it. |
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|
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- I have the Windows key as modifier wor window stuff, instead of |
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Alt. I |
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can select Meta-Shift-Tab in order to switch backwards though |
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windows, but |
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it does not work. So I'm using Meta-Caps-Tab isntead for this. |
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|
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- Some dialog windows of a specific application always open in the |
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background, behind other windows. I checked the window settings, they |
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are |
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empty. |
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|
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- After playing Quake3, the panel has black areas. Switching |
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Composite off |
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and on again (Alt-Shift-F12) usually fixes this. For other OpenGL |
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applications like Nexuiz, I have to open another window manager on |
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another |
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X server, as this sometimes has the weirdest effecs to the KDE |
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desktop. |
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|
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- Amarok: Did not play streams, showed a corrupted collection for |
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several |
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times, sometimes just did not play, refused drag&drop, lost tags I |
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had |
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set, killed .ogg files when editing tags, took 7 minutes for |
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startup... |
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but these seem all to fixed. |
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|
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- Automatic spell checking in applications like kmail or konqueror |
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does |
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not happen in KDE 4.4.4. You will find lots of typos in this mail |
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that I |
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would have corrected else. When still working, it had trouble with |
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abbreviations which were always shown as errors, and it sometimes |
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refused |
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to add words to the custom dictionary. |
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|
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- KsCD once did not find my CD-ROM. When I just wanted to test this |
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again, |
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Amarok starts checking the CD, and is very busy with that, for |
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several |
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minutes now. The information thingy in the tray shows 0/11 tasks, all |
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with |
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empty progress bars and no further information. Using the desktop got |
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|
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really slow, some mouse clicks took 20 seconds to take place, I |
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accidentally removed the system tray while clicking around, and the |
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system |
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was so slow it took me a while to add the tray again, even after I |
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ejected |
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the CD. This is a good example of what I experience often: I do some |
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something new, like inserting a CD, and weird things start to happen. |
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But |
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at least KsCD seems to work now. Oh, even though I closed KsCD and |
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removed |
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the CD, and I do not seem it in the system tray, it still eats up 10 |
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% of |
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my CPU power. |
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|
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- Occasionally, the phonon sound system does not work. I get a |
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message |
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about this during login. Next login, all is fine again. |
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|
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- And why is it not possible to save multiple marked files via |
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drag&drop |
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in ark? |
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|
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REALLY ANNOYING: |
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|
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- kontact crashes when started for a second time, which sometimes |
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accidentally happens to me. Mails I was composing are lost. |
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|
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- For two times, plasmoids were on the wrong desktop. As moving them |
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around to other desktops / activities does not seem to be possible, I |
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edit |
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.kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc directly to make them |
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appear |
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on their usual places. |
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|
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- About once a day, only parts of the last active applications reacts |
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to |
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the mouse. Seems to happen in konqueror only. I can click links, but |
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the |
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menus do not work. When I kill it, the next allication which gets the |
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|
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input focus gets partially responsive to the mouse. I have to log |
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out, |
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which is possible only via Ctrl-Alt-Del and waiting for 30 seconds, I |
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|
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cannot even confirm the logout requester. Okay, there's also |
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Ctrl-Alt- |
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Shift-Del, whcih I just found out about. I thought this might be |
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related |
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to javascript, as it only happens in konqueror, so I turned it off, |
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and it |
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did not happen for two days, but then it did. Oh, and then it just |
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happened again, while composing this mail. At least I can switch to |
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this |
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window and save this as draft. But this time Ctrl-Alt-Del does not |
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work, I |
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have to restart KDM. |
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|
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- Back again. What happened some days ago was a corrupted KDE wallet, |
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|
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which made kwalletmanager not start. I got dozends of dialog windows |
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from |
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various applications like kmail or kopete, and additionaly lots of |
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kwalletmanager crash windows. |
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|
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- Longer ago I experienced a bug even worse. When the KDE password |
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dialog |
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was set to show three bullets per character, it did not work. I had |
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no |
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access to my wallet, could not use kmail, or access FTP locations |
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with |
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dolphin. Took me quite a while until I finally found out myself what |
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setting was responsible for that. A total show stopper. The bug was |
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fixed |
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two months after it had been reported, which I find is quite a long |
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time |
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for such a serious bug. |
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|
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That's most of it. I did not yet report too many of them yet, mostly |
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because I thought the developers also use KDE and already know many, |
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but |
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then maybe they happen to few people only. |
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|
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Wonko |
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[1] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags |
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[2] http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.3.0/gcc/i386-and-x86_002d64- |
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Options.html#i386-and-x86_002d64-Options |