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From: Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] portage getting mixed up with USE?
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:14:56
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] portage getting mixed up with USE? by Alan McKinnon
1 On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:31:38 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
3 > Because the behaviour changed to something that is the exact opposite
4 > without any warning. Portage always used to tell what it will do. Now,
5 > simply by leaving the relevant options at the default, it tells me
6 > what it should do. How much more contrary to reasonable expectation
7 > can you get?
9 It's not the exact opposite. Portage is still telling you what it needs,
10 but all in one go, not one problem at a time.
12 > Imagine if tcpwrappers did this. Imagine that hosts.deny was dropped
13 > and hosts.allow retained, also imagine that the desired config file
14 > name becomes hosts.tcpd but it will use hosts.allow if hosts.tcpd is
15 > not found. Now also imagine that the default interpretation of
16 > hosts.tcpd is now default deny, explicit allow.
17 >
18 > All your rules now suddenly invert. Chaos ensues.
19 >
20 > Sure, it's a contrived example,
22 Not only contrived, but irrelevant. Because tcpwrappers actually does
23 something. If your USE flags are unsuitable, portage actually does
24 nothing. All that's changed is how it tells you why it has done nothing.
26 > Few people will argue against the existence of the new unmask options.
27 > Folk who want it can use it. Just don't make it the default in such a
28 > way that it catches old time users by surprise.
30 I must admit, although I read about the new option, probably in an elog
31 message, I was surprised the first time it kicked in when I hadn't turned
32 it on. Although it was not a bad surprised and I then recalled that the
33 message had explained that this was now the default behaviour.
35 One of the unwritten rules of Gentoo is that if you don't read elog
36 messages, you can expect to get burned.
39 --
40 Neil Bothwick
42 What do you do when you see an endangered animal eating an endangered
43 plant?


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