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Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> writes: |
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> lee wrote: |
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>> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> writes: |
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>>> lee wrote: |
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>>>> Daniel Frey <djqfrey@×××××.com> writes: |
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>>>>> On 12/19/2016 10:15 AM, lee wrote: |
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>>>>>> "Walter Dnes" <waltdnes@××××××××.org> writes: |
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>>>>>>> Similarly, the vast majority of home users have a machine with one |
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>>>>>>> ethernet port, and in the past it's always been eth0. |
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>>>>>> Since 10 years or so, the default is two ports. |
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>>>>> Not in any of the computers I've built. Generally only high end or |
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>>>>> workstation/server boards have two ports. |
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>>>>> i.e. not what the typical home user would buy. |
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>>>> It is not reasonable to assume that a "typical home user" would want a |
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>>>> computer with a crappy board to run Linux on it (or for anything |
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>>>> else). If they are that cheap, they're better off buying a used one. |
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>>>> When they are sufficiently clueless to want something like that, what |
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>>>> does it matter what the network interfaces are called. |
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>>> I built my current rig just a few years ago. It has one ethernet port |
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>>> on it. Since it didn't work right, bad drivers I guess, I added a card |
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>>> to have the second port. The rig I built before that, it also had one |
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>>> ethernet port. |
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>>> I might add, I didn't buy a "crappy board" either. The first was Abit |
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>>> which was the top rated brand at the time and my current board is |
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>>> Gigabyte, another highly rated board at the time I bought it. |
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>> I have no experience with Abit, and I can tell you from experience with |
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>> a couple of them that Gigabyte is the worst junk for a board you can |
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>> buy and that their support has no idea what they are doing. |
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> Well, I have two of them and they work just fine. I might add, Abit |
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> gave me many years of 24/7 service. Being outdated was its only |
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> problem. Also, Gigabyte and Asus were the top rated boards when I |
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> bought my board. Some who have been here long enough may even recall me |
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> posting my buy list here on this mailing list. So, you thinking |
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> Gigabyte is junk can go in the same place as your thinking two ports on |
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> every board is the default. It's your opinion and not based on |
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> reality. I've learned the same usually applies to hard drives as well. |
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You must be assuming that the Gigabyte boards I've had my hands on |
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somehow existed outside of reality. |
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>>> As Daniel |
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>>> points out, you have to get into some pretty high end boards before you |
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>>> get two ethernet ports. |
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>>> Just for giggles, I went and looked at Asus boards, currently highly |
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>>> rated. I had to get up around the $400 range to find two ports. Most |
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>>> computers built for home use, and even some, maybe most, business |
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>>> computers, only have one port. It's all they need. |
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>>> I might also add, I have a lot of friends that give me their old |
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>>> computers. Of all the puters I have ever seen, they had one ethernet |
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>>> port. Over the past decade or so, I've likely stripped out a few dozen |
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>>> computers for parts. Not one of them had two ethernet ports. |
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>>> I'm with Daniel on this one. |
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>> The last time I got a board that didn't have two ports is about 20 years |
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>> ago, and I never bought one for 400. They all just have 2, needed or |
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>> not, even cheap ones. |
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> Odd. Just for giggles, I went to Newegg. I pulled up both AMD and |
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> Intel boards. I then looked at the pictures of the top sellers listed |
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> there. With my settings, it lists 36 on each page. Out of the first |
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> page for each type, only a couple or so had two ports and only one that |
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> I saw was under $200.00. The rest were more expensive than that. I |
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> think that one $200.00 board was a Gigabyte by the way. I doubt you |
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> want to claim owning that, right? Looked at 72 boards, only found a |
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> couple or so with two ethernet ports. |
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> So, looking at a large website that has likely millions of customers, |
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> carries about every brand of board there is, I could only find a very |
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> small percentage of boards that have two ethernet ports built in. That |
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> is not what a reasonable person would call the default. If it was the |
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> default as you claim, then there should only be a few that don't have |
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> two ports. You add in that Daniel, Taiidan and myself have not seen |
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> such a default, then I think you are mistaken. |
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That may very well be so, yet the boards around here usually have two |
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ports. If the ones around you usually have one port, it's not |
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surprising that you would assume a different default number of ports. |
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So what? |