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On Friday 31 Oct 2014 06:52:54 J. Roeleveld wrote: |
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> On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 07:31:56 PM Marc Joliet wrote: |
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> > Am Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:28:37 +0000 |
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> > (I found a copy here: |
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> > http://www.kabelfernsehen.ch/dokumente/quicknet/HandbuchTHG570.pdf) |
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> > refers |
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> > to "Transparent bridging for IP traffic", and AFAICT makes no mention of |
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> > routing. It does explicitly say that it gets an IP address from the ISP, |
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> > so I suspect that it acts as a bridge for all IP clients (like the "IP |
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> > Client Mode" in Fritz!Box routers). So it sounds to me that the DHCP |
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> > packets likely come from a server beyond the router. Is this the half |
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> > bridge mode you alluded to? |
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> Not sure about half-bridge mode. But most cable-modems work in bridge-mode. |
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> (If they have more then 1 ethernet-port, they act as routers) |
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Yes, it seems to be a fully bridged modem. A PC or router behind it will be |
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accessible from the Internet using your public IP address provided by the ISP. |
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In a fully bridged mode the modem only manages encapsulation of your LAN hosts |
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ethernet packets (using DOCSIS frames in the case of cable, or ATM frames in |
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the case of ADSL). PPPoE or any other authentication method is undertaken by |
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the PC or by the router behind it. There's no NAT'ing or routing performed by |
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the modem - it is just a transparent bridge. |
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In a typical half bridged mode the modem performs encapsulation of your |
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packets AND authentication with the ISP's radius server. It also passes the |
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public IP address over to the host in the LAN, but it doesn't just bridge - it |
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routes it. The half bridged modem acts as an arp proxy. Some implementations |
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advertise more addresses on the LAN side than the public ISP's address and |
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offer the host a different IP address to the ISP's (usually public IP + 1 with |
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255.255.255.0 instead of 255.255.255.255). MSWindows machines work fine with |
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this, but Linux won't work without setting a static route to the ISP's gateway |
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and complains that the gateway is not on public-IP/32. Cisco routers barf at |
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this problem too. |
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> > Oh, and there are two powerline/dLAN adapters in between (the modem is |
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> > in |
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> > the room next door), but direct connections between my computer and my |
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> > brother's always worked, and they've been reliable in general, so I |
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> > assume that they're irrelevant here. |
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> Uh-oh... If you have multiple machines that can ask for a DHCP-lease, you |
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> might keep getting a different result each time it tries to refresh. |
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> > Furthermore, I found out the hard way that you *sometimes* need to |
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> > reboot |
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> > the modem when connect a different client for the new client to get a |
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> > response from the DHCP server (I discovered this after wasting half a day |
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> > trying to get our router to work, it would log timeouts during |
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> > DHCPDISCOVER). I didn't think it was the modem because when we first got |
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> > it, I could switch cables around between my computer and my brother's and |
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> > they would get their IP addresses without trouble. *sigh* |
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> That's a common flaw. These modems are designed with the idea that people |
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> only have 1 computer. Or at the very least put a router between the modem |
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> and whatever else they have. |
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> Please note, there is NO firewall on these modems and your machine is fully |
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> exposed to the internet. Unless you have your machine secured and all |
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> unused services disabled, you might as well assume your machine |
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> compromised. |
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Yes, the way these modems work you may need to reboot the modem so that it |
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flushes its arp cache if you start reconnecting machines to it. |
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> I once connected a fresh install directly to the modem. Only took 20 |
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> seconds to get owned. (This was about 9 years ago and Bind was running) |
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> > - At the time there was no router, just the modem. We now have a |
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> > Fritz!Box |
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> > 3270 with the most recent firmware, but we got it after I "solved" this |
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> > problem. |
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> > - I don't know whether we have an IP block or not; I suspect not. At the |
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> > very least, we didn't make special arrangements to try and get one. |
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> Then assume not. Most, if not all, ISPs charge extra for this. (If they |
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> even offer it) |
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You would typically have two IP addresses with a half bridged modem, but only |
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one of these would be usable by the PC/router in your LAN. Personally I find |
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all this a bothersome faff and only buy and set up modems in fully bridged |
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mode, so that they get out of the way and let me route things using a router. |
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Regards, |
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Mick |